Lions vs. Tigers

Originally posted by Tigris That's fine CV and glad to know its not a democracy. As I said friendly advice has been taken. However I disagree that my amicability is subjective.  Since you did say that if I have a problem with a member then to report it to staff . Well may I ask you are words like  'f**king stupid cowardly people' acceptable to you on here ? Perhaps you missed reading these words but I certainly hope they aren't allowed in the Coc.

Ref. 1. it remains subjective as it remains reviewable by staff. as to it's and your conduct-participation-value as a member period. This is non arguable.

Ref. 2. The above quote. Find it and report it's location and author by pm'..as per the Coc. Do not report it in the open forum. If you had read and agreed to the Coc..as evidenced by your current acceptance and active membership...you already know this.

This also is non arguable.




This thread is closed. Pending review. The owner-administrator Red Clay reserves the right to reopen it if he chooses.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 07-Sep-2015 at 22:26

Originally posted by Tigris <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;">Centrix Vigilis , I am not here to start any flame war . Not sure though what exactly you meant by the word censure because I am also entitled to my opinions on here  and I believe I have been amicable with both my fact presentation and selection of words. </span> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18.6667px;">Anyhow, I read your warning and have taken your friendly advice. </span> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18.6667px;"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18.6667px;"></span>

You are 'entitled' to what the CoC allows you say in either opinion or declarative form to include facts.

As to amicability...in particular yours? that's subjective. I would ntl tend to agree with you to date. Keep that up the personalities out and you'll do fine.



Censure means... you don't obey those guidelines-rules in the Coc or advice from a staff member...your gone.

This is not a democracy.

It's that simple.

Carry on.

Tigris: '' Obviously Prime's posts are the most splendid, comprehensive and insulting in showing this.''

As per the Coc...if you have a problem with another member's post report it to the staff.

If you don't your merely supporting the potential for a flame war or censure yourself. Consider that as friendly advice. Iow. heed and believe.

This sub has had numerous warnings reference keeping the personalities out of it. If I have to give it one more...I wont even bother..It will simply go away.

Period.
CV

Originally posted by andre Originally posted by Lion crest Originally posted by Catlion Yeah, and the most astonishing is that Prime's viewpoint on bear's fighting is plainly confirmed: "by frequent affectionate hugs...". So this is the usual way plantigrades fight and not by throwing strikes as defended by bear-fans since Lairwebb times. It seems that, against a lion, bear is even more disappoting than tiger, although the bear will usually defeat the tiger. I think its key too that they gave a long pause between the tiger and bear, the lion was able to catch its breath regain stamina to take on the bear.  Multiple accounts seem to show this, yeah bears hug as a fighting technique. I remember Beatty saying as well, that the bear drops its head to protect it, the lion moves it out of the way, but the tiger leaves its head open to being hit. For those who haven't seen this either and had trouble believing it...here is the actual newspaper pic showing the lion did beat a 1000lb tiger. (1949)  Many people have had a hard time believing the lion had killed a 1000lb tiger, but here is the undisputed proof on this account, with the actual newspaper pic. 1000-Pound Circus Tiger Loses Fight With Lion NEW BEDFORD, Mass., June 2 (/F>—The lion is still king. When the Biller Brothers circus moved on to its next stop today it left behind the remains of a 1000- pound tiger. The tiger was killed last night in a savage battle with a lion. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/45908255/ I still mis the acounts that many lions,not mountain lions ,lost their live in battle with grizlys in mexico and california during 1900 -1920.and the acounts of famous russian hunters like astinov that brown bears scare of off tigers very often in some cases the tiger got slaugtered very easy .the acounts are there well known in europe, unknown in america perhaps .off course a big brown can kill any cat

Andre, Catlion is correct.. many of the US pro-bear stories are utter BS..

Originally posted by Lion crest Originally posted by Catlion Yeah, and the most astonishing is that Prime's viewpoint on bear's fighting is plainly confirmed: "by frequent affectionate hugs...". So this is the usual way plantigrades fight and not by throwing strikes as defended by bear-fans since Lairwebb times. It seems that, against a lion, bear is even more disappoting than tiger, although the bear will usually defeat the tiger. I think its key too that they gave a long pause between the tiger and bear, the lion was able to catch its breath regain stamina to take on the bear.  Multiple accounts seem to show this, yeah bears hug as a fighting technique. I remember Beatty saying as well, that the bear drops its head to protect it, the lion moves it out of the way, but the tiger leaves its head open to being hit. For those who haven't seen this either and had trouble believing it...here is the actual newspaper pic showing the lion did beat a 1000lb tiger. (1949)  Many people have had a hard time believing the lion had killed a 1000lb tiger, but here is the undisputed proof on this account, with the actual newspaper pic. 1000-Pound Circus Tiger Loses Fight With Lion NEW BEDFORD, Mass., June 2 (/F>—The lion is still king. When the Biller Brothers circus moved on to its next stop today it left behind the remains of a 1000- pound tiger. The tiger was killed last night in a savage battle with a lion. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/45908255/ I still mis the acounts that many lions,not mountain lions ,lost their live in battle with grizlys in mexico and california during 1900 -1920.and the acounts of famous russian hunters like astinov that brown bears scare of off tigers very often in some cases the tiger got slaugtered very easy .the acounts are there well known in europe, unknown in america perhaps .off course a big brown can kill any cat

Thank you for that . Yes this would make sense as the Savannah is more open and the chase is longer. 

At least we agree that this fight happened and the tiger won . I have no reason to post false and unreliable information.  

Edited by Tigris - 28-Aug-2015 at 13:38

Hah T, you fail to take into account the huge sums wagered & reflected prestige incorporated - in those fights staged by eastern potentates..

Too easy to ensure the desired propaganda outcome for the tiger fan boys, even then..

In other parts of Asia, rulers ensured that the tiger lost its fights when pitted against the local beast of choice, for like reasons..

& I will reiterate, as far as growth-size range goes, there are ( well noted )significant overlaps between lion & tiger, individual variation-wise, so to claim that some artificial mean in comparative size is 'scientific' proof of tiger superiority - is simply spurious..

The true scientific fact of the matter is.. lion differences from tigers are primarily external, & are adaptive to living successfully
in a much more competitive environment..

Tigers & bears do not/cannot compete to live in lion country..

These evolutionary changes do show however, that the different attributes between lion & tiger do work in favour of the lion overall - as has been well noted by the observers & beastmasters who work with them , & certainly, in the context of this discussion..



Edited by J.A.W. - 22-Aug-2015 at 17:54