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    Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:42
Take for example:

1. Hunters colonization of Amrica, massive extinction of megafauna.
2. Neolithic-First Civilizations: desertization of the main centers, Near East, Indus Valley, Wei Valley

It's really a question of human bad adaptation or we are talking about climatic change where the human play nule rol. A combination?
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Remember the destruction caused by the Polinesians in the islands of the Pacific, particularly in Easter.
Man has being destroying its environment from the very beginning.
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I think it was a combination of climate change and human overhunting that killed off the megafauna of the Americas. 
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there was a man sized bird on new zealand that the first maori settlers (and also first humans on New Zealand) hunted to extinction.
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Was that the Moa or the Gastornis? They were huge! Pity they are extinct today, as they would be a wonderful tourist attraction and a gem for scientists. 
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Here is an image of the Moa (or Dinornis) skeleton - as explained by Omar.

Enormous birds - though they were herbivores surprisingly.


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Originally posted by Adalwolf

I think it was a combination of climate change and human overhunting that killed off the megafauna of the Americas. 
 
Well, in the Americas is still possible to see impact of the comming of man to the New World.
 
From circa 25.000 to 15.000 years ago, waves of immigrants crossed the strait of bering and started to hunt in a fauna previously virgin. Some of the victims were the mamut, the american horse, the large armadillo, the milodon, and quite a lot of other animals.
 
The mamalian megafauna was practically wipe out after men entered the new world. The one that survived were the smaller, more modern animals, like the pumas, jaguars, foxes and similar.
 
It was tragical not only for the diversity of fauna but for the future peoples of the Americas. The lost of the American horse was very important. I wonden if the events could have been different if survived. The Americans didn't have any domestic animal that could serve to move chariots, do heavy duty jobs or could move a warrior in war. Llamas just aren't good enough for that job at all.
 
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 08:07
I think overhunting was only a minor factor. Many of them just died out due to the dramatic environmental change that they could not cope with. If human beings were the main reason for the destruction of animal species, than how come there were still alot of elephants until the Europeans came in to colonize Africa?
     
   
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The massive use of fire by Aboriginal tribes is believed to have been responsible for the destruction of many delicate ecosystems, and the extinction of many species. How early this was changes every year. 4 years ago it was 40,000 years, now it's 60,000. Personally i didn't believe the first claim, but that's what people say anyway.
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 08:21

Yeah, maybe someone would give some good explaination for this. I thought it was rubbish because population of mankind wasn't big enough to influence the environment in that large scale.

     
   
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  Quote Top Gun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 09:49
Originally posted by pinguin

Remember the destruction caused by the Polinesians in the islands of the Pacific, particularly in Easter.
Man has being destroying its environment from the very beginning.
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no they where destroyed by there enonomie there came more people and less food income thats why they extincted
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  Quote Top Gun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 09:53
Originally posted by Knights

Here is an image of the Moa (or Dinornis) skeleton - as explained by Omar.

Enormous birds - though they were herbivores surprisingly.
 
 
then there where those enormes eagle sized birds who hunted on the moas
 
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  Quote Top Gun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 09:56
or the dodo thats killed by all the dutch because the bird was so discusting to eat thats so the dutch hunted them just for fun thats why they are extinct
 


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Yeah, maybe someone would give some good explaination for this. I thought it was rubbish because population of mankind wasn't big enough to influence the environment in that large scale.

 
I saw once on tv that the Humans got a impact of hunger and thats why the killed al those animals
but I am not so interested in the ice age era
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:27
Dodo were eliminated because Western hunters arrived to Austrialia and hunted them down for furs... until they died. Though their population was not so large, Dodos were weak prey, and the introduction of efficient hunting methods (Ex.Gunpowder weapons) and their purpose being purely profit rather than for food finally destoryed all their species.
     
   
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:28
That was during Imperial Age or just before that, I think.
     
   
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:34
Originally posted by pekau

Dodo were eliminated because Western hunters arrived to Austrialia and hunted them down for furs... until they died. Though their population was not so large, Dodos were weak prey, and the introduction of efficient hunting methods (Ex.Gunpowder weapons) and their purpose being purely profit rather than for food finally destroyed all their species.


Hmm...Mauritius you mean? Also, they didn't really have fur Smile The way they became extinct was due to introduced to animals, the fact that they were fearless of humans and flash flooding (result of recent studies).
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:38
Originally posted by Knights

Originally posted by pekau

Dodo were eliminated because Western hunters arrived to Austrialia and hunted them down for furs... until they died. Though their population was not so large, Dodos were weak prey, and the introduction of efficient hunting methods (Ex.Gunpowder weapons) and their purpose being purely profit rather than for food finally destroyed all their species.


Hmm...Mauritius you mean? Also, they didn't really have fur Smile The way they became extinct was due to introduced to animals, the fact that they were fearless of humans and flash flooding (result of recent studies).
 
My bad, not furs. But the hunters killed in mass for some reason. I wonder what they were after...
 
And were they Maruitius? Sorry, I just finished European studies and I am half-brainwashed...
     
   
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 18:50
Originally posted by Knights

Here is an image of the Moa (or Dinornis) skeleton - as explained by Omar.

Enormous birds - though they were herbivores surprisingly.


Impressive animal indeed, but Richard Owen had it mounted in a way that made it look taller than it actually was. Compare those towering, tail-dragging dinosaurs that were mounted at around the same time. More than a few vertebrae were broken to force them to stand that way.

Moa's small head actually makes it seem kind of harmless.
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 19:02
Maybe a bit off-topic, but during the Cenozoic, on the isolated island-continent of South America the food chain was dominated for tens of millions of years by a group of flightless birds called the Phororhacids. They may have been the closest thing possible to a living Dinosaur in the age of mammals; at least one species, Titanis, seems to have had claws at the tips of its wings, effectively making them arms. After the closure of the Panama land bridge around 3 million years ago, they crossed over to North America, and they might have been still in existence when the first humans arrived. (But to tell the truth, there is no evidence for that.)
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