Question to Iranians!

Greetings,does anyone have an idea what does Asparuh mean in your current language or old iranian?Please if you know tell me you will be of great help!

There's a hypothesis that the name of the first danube bulgarian khan Asparuh(also Isperih) is from iranian origin,meaning white horseman If we find any connection it will be a serious proof that the bulgars are iranian(aryan) people!



Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 28-Jan-2007 at 12:14

Many thanks!

@ Cyrus Shahmiri

Originally posted by Liudovik_Nemski There's a hypothesis that the name of the first danube bulgarian khan Asparuh(also Isperih) is from iranian origin,meaning white horseman If we find any connection it will be a serious proof that the bulgars are iranian(aryan) people!

Yes,Hellenic versions of Ancient Persian names end mostly in -menes:Tisafernes,Spitamenes etc.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri I had read something about the connection between Iranians and Bulgarians, I can't find the site, the title of the article was "Bolg-Aryans", this is from it:   Not only the language, but also some other sides of the Bulgarian national identity must be explained with our Kimmerian-Iranian orygin. In the way of compairison we have clarified not only the orygin, but also the holy meaning of the Bulgarioan folk festivals and customes, commected with them. The majority of the Bulgarian festivals have Kimmerian orygin, because there are many costumes in them, characteristic to the Celtic festivals as well. Such are the Koleda-Jull, the Atanasovden-Imbolk, the Gergjovden-Beltene, the Ilinden-Lugnazad� Another festivals have definely Iranian orygin. So the Mujka Zadusjnitza (The All Soul�s Day) is related to the Celtic festival Samhaen, but it is most closed to the Iranian festival Hamaspatmedia, whose name means just �A Treat in honour of the souls of the rightelous men�. On the eve of the movable Christian festival Sirni Zagovezni, a splendid fire plays are being carried out, as expression of the most important Iranian festival � Nourouz, the Aryan New Year, honoured in the Day of the Vernal equinox (21-st March). In the everning before this day the people birns big fires, which have to be jumped over for health. Accourding to the costume, the men are making torches of splited wood sticks, filled with straw. The sticks have to be burned and whirled in circles. In this way the Holy Aryan Swastica is expressed � the symbol of Sun and Fire, and Cosmical order in generall.(24) With the sign of Swastica the men are congratulateing the victory of the Sun over the darkness and the evil powers in the comeing Nouruz, which means �The New Day�. The fire plays, described above, are characteristic to Bulgaria, Kurdistan and Iran. We must not forget, that many Bulgarian costumes and festivals are inherited by the Thracians as well, who also were very ancient and cultural folk. Doubtless the unite of BOLGS and ARYANS had taken place in Bactria. Westwards from Bactria is the holy Aryan land Aryana Vayedjio situated. It is praised by Zarathustra in the holy himnes of Gatha, the oldest part of the Zent-Avesta. The todays researchers are stateing, that it was the ancient state of the ARYANS, because ARYAN is the ancient etnic name of Persians and Bharata (the folk of Indo-Aryans), written in the Vedas and Zent-Avesta. Ammoung the folkes, who had taken part in the marsh of the Persian emperor Cyrus against Helada, Herodot mentiones the ARYANS. Their armour was like the armour of Bactrians.(25) But Aryan is not only a common etnical name of the Indo-Iranian folks. It is allmost a word for noble, elevated man, for the Aryans as Race of the Spirit.

There are at least 5 hypothesis about the origin of the bulgars and each one has proofs but also many flaws.This is one of the greatest problems in bulgar history-we don't know for sure what our origin is The communists tried to make us look like pure slavs-"you see the bulgars against which the eastern roman emperor sent 60 000+ were around 10 000 and quickly melted in the "slavic sea" But it's a fact that there were bulgars on the balkans at least 2-3 centuries before 681A.D. and their numbers were great.Now when the regime is fallen historians work on other theories and it becomes very complicated.


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 01-Feb-2007 at 12:49

My opinion is that bulgars should be a mixture of Iranic and Turkic elements. by linguistic and places that they move through history. North of black sea has been settled by scythian and sarmatian tribes and most likey a mixture with later bulgars that came to this region. 

Originally posted by barbar   OMG, what a ridiculuos hypothesis!!!!!! A name of a leader "Seriosly prooves" his and his people's origin????????????   I would suggest you to read more about this hypothesis before you start  criticizing your friends.   What about his ansectors's names and what about their titles?   Origins are different, from clearly slavic (like Malamir, Gostun or Bezmer) to Iranic and Turkic.    what about the plenty of historical documents about Bulghars?   According to "plenty of historical documents" they are Skyths, Cimbri, Sauromati, Bulgari, Bulgares, Vulgares, Vulgari, Moesi, Hunni etc. etc.etc. Which one do you like?   What about their language and customs according to these documents?   Not very much is known about their customs and language from those documents. You can easely apply Iranian as well as Turkic theory oftheirorigin. Some even explain their inscriptions by latinized latin.    What about other possibilities:  Slavic origin of this name?   It could be but I do not see how could it be explained by slavonic words. By the way this name was also met in forms of Aspar-hruk, Isperih, Ispererih, Ispor-tzar, and as far as I remember some other forms.   What about religious conversion that usually also led to the changing of the names?   exactly 0 bits of information we have about their religion before Christianity (in Danube and Italian Bulgars) and Muslim (in Volga Bulgars).   What about ........ Please,  tracing the origin of a historical group is not that easy.    It is not. I do not support Iranian theory of Bulgar origin but it has much more arguments in addition to the name of Asparuh.

Edited by Anton - 01-Feb-2007 at 17:06

I actually find such silly ideas as patronising and derogatory to actual bulgars who still retain the Bulgar language, culture and identity. The people's of Volga Bulgaria, today called Tatars and also the Christian Chuvash.