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    Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 16:20
How can Australia be on the list, but not Canada?

Canada had its own D-Day beach like the US and Britain - Juno. It was the most succesful of all the landings and the first to encounter, and defeat, elite elements of the German army rather than the decrepit coastal garrisons.

Battle of Ortona? Probably the fiercest urban fighting on the entire Western front?

Dieppe? A headlong charge into certain death?

My vote goes for the USSR, but I think it is silly that Australia is one of the choices, and Canada is not. No disrespect to Australia, but Canadian fighters were equally feared by the Germans.

Canada fielded more forces and had more engagements in the war in Europe, both at sea (Battle of the Atlantic), on land, and in the air (especially during the Battle of Britain).
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 18:58
Originally posted by edgewaters

My vote goes for the USSR, but I think it is silly that Australia is one of the choices, and Canada is not. No disrespect to Australia, but Canadian fighters were equally feared by the Germans.


In fairness, the reason for Australia being on the list is that Australia's involvement was decisive in securing victory - or at the very least greatly expedited it. This is for a number of reasons.

Firstly, the Australian economy under PM John Curtin was one of the most efficient in WWII, it was a fully geared total war economy. This greatly contributed to Australia's involvement in the Pacific. In battles such as Guadalcanal, where victory was determined only by the US forces being only slightly better logistically supplied, Australian supply of materials was decisive.

Then there is the fighting. Australia was the first Western nation to inflict a decisive strategic defeat on the IJA in WWII, which took place on the Kokoda Trail in spite of being hugely outnumbered.

Australian military tenacity and adaptability also served well in other theatres. Australian forces in North Africa held the town of Tobruk against overwhelming enemy forces, critically delaying the advance of Rommel's forces for most of a year. Such determination allowed the hard pressed British to regroup and prepare. Had Tobruk not been held, the fall of Egypt and critical oil supplies in the Mid East would have had disastrous consequences.

Australian adaptability to jungle warfare, never developed as well by other Western powers, proved enormously useful in liberating huge swathes of Southeast Asia from Japanese rule.

Australian participation was also crucial in the Battle of the Coral Sea, where joint Australian and US forces turned back the until then triumphant Japanese navy. This strategic retreat of Japan would be followed up by large scale tactical destruction of Japanese ships at Midway shortly after.

All in all, Australian support was critical in achieving a decisive outcome in a number of theatres (North Africa, the Pacific) on the one hand. On the other hand, their performance in a range of battles demonstrated tenacity and adaptability required to bring about victory in a range of difficult conditions when heavily outnumbered by a well equipped enemy.
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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2007 at 19:13
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Firstly, the Australian economy under PM John Curtin was one of the
most efficient in WWII, it was a fully geared total war economy. This
greatly contributed to Australia's involvement in the Pacific. In
battles such as Guadalcanal, where victory was determined only by the
US forces being only slightly better logistically supplied, Australian
supply of materials was decisive.



Canadian support and materials were far more critical - between Dunkirk and American entry, Canada was a lifeline for Britain much as US aid. Sixteen thousand fighters and 800 000 military vehicles, in addition to vast amounts of foodstuffs, were provided by Canada.

Most important of all, however, was Canada's shipbuilding. There were 90 shipyards in Canada employing over a hundred thousand workers, which by war's end had produced over 4000 ships. Canada produced nearly half as many convoy escorts as Britain itself did, and close to a third as many as the US!

As far as actual combat, Canada participated in numerous actions. It was the first to invade Europe (Dieppe) which gained the Allies crucial information on German defenses - and radar capabilities, since one of the goals of Dieppe was to seize and investigate a German radar station and this did occur. Canada had important participation in the invasion of Italy, the Battle of Britain, the Battle of the Atlantic, and, as mentioned, was assigned a D-Day beach (Juno) during Operation Overlord, one of six landing points (two British, three American)

But Canada's most important contribution to the outcome was really during Britain's darkest hour, when Canadian support was absolutely critical to its survival. Australia no doubt was an important supply centre in the war against Japan, accounted for itself well in fighting and so on, but no Allied nation depended on Australia for its survival at any point.

Edited by edgewaters - 08-Jun-2007 at 19:22
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