Yes, you are right Kubrat. There are so much, that we don't know about the Thracians. This mask, i think, belongs to the one of Greatest thracains ruler Sevt III and there is so much tombs in "the valley of thracians rulers" with which we are not acquainted. 

Most of people even don't know that Orfey wasn't greek but thracian and he has been living in territories of today's Bulgaria in area of the Rodophs and river of Marica. Also somewhere in Bulgaria is a place where Alexandar The Great has been chosen to be a king. And if it be discovered it will be equal to discover the holy graal, because this is a sanctuary of Dionisous (the god of wine and he also is a thracian) and there thracians have done their holy rituals and boded the future.About stronghold Perperikon which is one very mysterious place and we know only a little about it. Even some weeks ago we discovered his try name. And also thracians rulers are joined in the Troian war on the side of Troi.

We will be witnesses of very interesting events in the coming years!!!!!

Originally posted by Kubrat Due to the enthusiasm here about Bulgaria, I have started a project to make a longer article for the main site. http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1846& ; ;PN=1&TPN=1

I enjoyed your article. I knew bits  and pieces about bulgarian history, but this puts them into a serious historical context.
Could you write something about Bulgare-Frankish alliances?
I am also glad that Soviet era haze is coming down on history of Bulgaria.

Good propaganda. Too bad that in all those points you put a lot of lies.

1. Samoil is a MACEDONIAN tzar.
Why? WEll first of all he recived the crown from Rome not from Konstantinopol. Obvious reasons. He was found of the erretic movemant also known as "bogomili". And even more important, he was fighting AGAINST the roman empire (now knowns as eastern roman empire or byzant) So the crown he recived was from Rome, and can't be linked to any other crowns.

2. Bulghk-ar, the origin is obviuos. Even today anyone that went in bulgaria can notice one good point. The people that are the origin of the state are of mongol origin. Todays mixture of those mongols with slavic, macedonian, thracian, turish people are known as bulgars.

3. About the mask. 3 of them were found in Macedonia, but during the occupations they were "borowed never to return".


Stop spreading lies.

I am not so sure as you that ������ /Samuel/ is macedonian tsar.  He has moved capital from Preslav to Ohrid, because Preslav were conqueted from Byzatine emperor Ioan and about the mask it has been found only  before some months and territories which has never been called Macedonia - east from town of Stara Zagora if you don't believe me look on the map! I have never lied for anything my dear boy!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I am talking about the golden mask in the museum in sofia. The throne was moved to Ohrid when Ohrid was rebelated from roman army (byzant army).

And trust me, i study this.

And as i thought, you cant coment on the rest of my reply ..
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Yiannis don't pay attention to such people like him. If you want I can translate to you.

To Macedonian- my dear boy Boris I Michael was ruling from 852 to 889 and Samuel 997-1014 and please DO NOT INSULT ME! Do you understand me or want to tell you on Bulgarian ....ooh I'm sorry..... on Macedonian!

JasSum - First I don't want to comment other part of your message because i said it in one of my previous post. Bulgars are turks tribes, not mongols- they never have been and never will be. Second- About Samuel, I'll just ask you this -everybody here know that the Byzantine emperor Basil II called himself "Bulgar-slayer" after battle near Kluch. So my question to you is simple - just explain us, why he /Basil II/ did not call himself "Macedonians' slayer" after according to you he had fought against the "Macedonian" tsar.Third after Samuel capital was also moved to Prespa /I think/ and after him there were another 2 tsars- Gavrail-Radomir and Ivan Vladislav, but about them you /i mean the macedonians/ don't know or most of you don't know.

I  don't want to trust you........

Originally posted by Yiannis Originally posted by Macedonian Ebate krvta tvoja tatarska Please do not write in language other than english, it's against the rules of the forum and disrespectfull to the rest of the forumers. There's a non-english part of the forum for such discussions.

Yanko thank you for the info.But he speak macedonian and we can understand each other.

Originally posted by Macedonian Yanko thank you for the info.But he speak macedonian and we can understand each other.

My name is Yiannis so I'd appreciate it if you could spell it correctly.

When it comes to the "mutual understanding" part, you and JasSum, same as Tzar who's Bulgarian, can understand what you write - since you speak the same language - but the rest of the forumers don't.

So, once again, write in languages other than english only in the "non-english language forum"

Here it is for your convenience: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=20

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Boris I Michael is a son of khan Presian and this who you are talking about Boris II was ruling only one year 970-971 and was killed when truing to run out from Constantinopole.... so what about him???. After him tsar became Roman/977-997/ and then Samuel/997-1014/.

....But why did you write only this sentence on macedonian then?

JasSum I can show you much maps of Europe from that time, but I can see Bulgaria only on the west border of the empire  Even you don't know what you are talking about. First you maintain the thesis that bulgars are mongols and now you are agree that they are turks!

About Basil II: its not written by me or any bulgarian propagandist

From 986 until 1014 there was warfare between Byzantium and Bulgaria, interrupted from time to time by Basil II's intermittent expeditions to settle crises on the eastern front. Basil II enlisted Venetian help in protecting the Dalmatian coast and Adriatic waters from Bulgarian aggression. Year by year he slowly penetrated into Samuel's territory, campaigning in winter as well as summer. In 1001 Basil liberated Philippoupolis, in 1003 Verroia, Larisa, Servia, Skopia, and Edessa in Macedonia, were also liberated by the Greek army.

During this period the region of Kalavria prospered. The cities of Kroton, Vari, Righion, Taras, Ydrous, Kallipolis in southern Italy were the centers of greek literature, commerce, and education. Aghios Nilos, Vartholomaios and Ioannis Philagathos were the greatest scholars, in the region of Kalavria. The Byzantine rulers of these regions are called Katepano. But these regions are in constant threat from Arab invasions and pillages. In 1003, a Venetian fleet under commandment of doge Petros II Orseolos saved the city of Vari from arab siege. The Venetians helped, because they had signed a treaty with Basil, which gave them access through Ellispontus for their commercial activities, and they, in return were obliged to defend Greek cities in southern Italy, from arab raids.

Finally, holding northern and central Bulgaria, he advanced toward Samuel's capital, Achris (northern of Prespes lakes), and won the crushing victory, that gave him his nickname, "Slayer of the Bulgars". The battle took place in Kleidi (Kimvaloggos), on 29 July 1014. His general Nikiphoros Votaniates managed to surround the enemy defence lines, causing the Bulgars to surrender in a state of panic. It was then that he blinded the whole Bulgarian army, leaving one eye to each 100th man, so that the soldiers might be led back to the Tzar who died of shock shortly after seeing this terrible spectacle. Thus the revived Bulgarian kingdom (that stretched from adriatic to black sea and from Dounabe river to Thesally), after decades of wars against the Greek state was incorporated into the Byzantine Empire. But only on 1018, Basil completed his campaign against Bulgarians, and then he visited the provinces of his empire, who were released from the bulgarian threat. It was then that he visited Athens to pay his respects to the great capital of ancient greeks. Later he sailed from Piraeus to his capital Constantinople, where he was received with great honors and entered through Golden Gate

And about Ostrogovski - is  he this who you called the founder of today's Macedonia. It's so funny - he is a bulgarian /born near Kjustendill or Blagoevgrad/ and was working for the Serbians' government and after this for serbians' propaganda, but this which is more funny of all is that he has never spoken macedonian. This great founder never even tried to said a word on macedonian......

Originally posted by Macedonian Originally posted by Yiannis Originally posted by Macedonian Ebate krvta tvoja tatarska Please do not write in language other than english, it's against the rules of the forum and disrespectfull to the rest of the forumers. There's a non-english part of the forum for such discussions. Yanko thank you for the info.But he speak macedonian and we can understand each other.

That he can understand you is not the point . The point is as Yannis said - It is against the rules of the forum and rude to the other members so please refrane from the use of other languages in all but the forign language forum.