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    Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 19:41
Originally posted by malizai_

I doubt that they would charged their armies through the desert towards Barigaza as depicted in the map above. That arrow should probably point right and then down.

I think the Indians were aware of the Ionians before Alexander and vice versa.
 
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  Quote chimera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 16:41
It appears that Hurrians with Vedic gods reached Syria where in 500BCE they promoted Brahmi script, used for Hindu and Buddhist texts. There was continual interchange between India and Mesopotamia. That is seen in common ideas in Greek-Hindu gods (and Celtic etc.)
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 10:06

I doubt that they would charged their armies through the desert towards Barigaza as depicted in the map above. That arrow should probably point right and then down.

I think the Indians were aware of the Ionians before Alexander and vice versa.
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  Quote chimera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 17:35
Major Buddhist Sites: India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, China, Japan, Tibet
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Greek and Roman temples are explicitly copied as at Capitol DC and school/courthouse buildings after 2000 years. As with sacred texts, Greek and Persian culture evidently persisted at Angkor, just as Gr. democracy ideals do in the west. Reversing that, it appears that the Meru architecture in Angkor was present as an ideal in India when the travellers left Punjab.
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  Quote Preobrazhenskoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 15:01

The ironic thing is Buddhism did not penetrate regions of East Asia until the 1st century AD (Eastern Han Dynasty in China), while there were thousands of Greek Buddhists hundreds of years before this point (not that there's much of a trace of it anymore, while East Asia in general maintains its Buddhist legacy).

 
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Well, didn't Greek-Buddist architecture influence Hindu architecture?
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Originally posted by chimera

This adds to the posssibility that Preak Khan temple at Angkor Wat which is described as having a Greek-style shrine, does in fact have Greek background. 
 
Except that this was built way way way after any "Greek Buddhists" traveled to sri lanka. And this was a Hindu shrine.
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 16:52
 
Hellenic-style Buddhist stupa:
 
Indo-Greek art in Gandhara:
Source: same
 
Seach words:
Hellenistic India
Indo-Greek
Indo-Greek culture
Indo-Greek kingdoms
Indo-Greek religion
Greco-Buddhist art


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  Quote chimera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 16:25
Bulgarians of Balikh:
Hurrians of 1400BCE had Vedic gods and moved into Asia Minor. Jason and argonauts reached Colchis in Georgia, indicating at least that Greeks were familiar with the geography.
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Let me clear sth out.There is a difference between Classical Hellas and Hellenistic Hellas.Classical Hellas ends before Alexander's conquest .Until that time,Hellas was culturally pretty much "isolated" , always concerning it's relations with the East,and the only  State with very systematic trade ,except the Hellenic colonies throughout the Mediterranean,was the Persian Empire and ,more specifically, in the Middle Eastern area.Therefore,the Indian thought cannot be present during Classical Hellas or in the achievements of the Classical Hellens.Hellenic thought came in touch with India only during Alexander.

Therefore,Hellenistic Hellas may have come in touch with Indian thought,but not Classical Hellas.
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  Quote Decebal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 09:52
Originally posted by chimera

The Balkh are evidently the Bulgarians of Balkans. It seems that some Greeks were known very early to IndoEuropean Sanskrit Brahmins.
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Confusedwhat are you talking about? Balkh is a city in Central Asia. The Bulgarians of the Balkans didn't even exist as a people until after the 8th century AD, more than a millenium after these events....
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Yes, Indian's though was present in Classical Greece and Rome.
But it also interesting to notice the opposite is also true:
 
Classical Greek though was present in India, particularly with the Greek-Buddists and in the development of mathematics.
 
What this show? That civilizations never develop alone.
 
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  Quote chimera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 22:31
"According to Klaus K. Klostermaier, in his book A Survey of Hinduism pg 18-19: "The kings of Magadha and Malwa exchanged ambassadors with Greece. A Maurya ruler invited one of the Greek Sophists to join his court, and one of the greatest of the Indo-Greek kings became famous as the dialogue partner of the great Buddhist sage Nagasena, while in the opposite direction, Buddhist missionaries are known to have settled in Alexandria, and other cities in the Ancient West. It is evident then, that Indian thought was present in the fashionable intellectual circuit of ancient Athens, and there is every reason to suppose that Indian religious and philosophical ideas exercised some influence on early and classical Greek philosophy. Both Greeks and Romans habitually tried to understand the religions of India by trying to fit them as far as possible into Greco-Roman categories. Deities in particular were spoken of, not in Indian but in Greek terms and called by Greek names. Thus Shiva, was identified as "Dionysos," Krsna (or perhaps Indra) as "Heracles." The great Indian epics were compared to those of Homer. Doctrinally, the Indian concept of transmigration had its counterpart in the metempsychosis taught by Pythagoras and Plato; nor was Indian asceticism altogether foreign to a people who remembered Diogenes and his followers."
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Yes, and Greeks were and important starting point for the glorious period of ancient India called the Guptas. Somehow, after Alexander's invasion, India woke up to new influences, and lived a brilliant age of intellectual development.

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Buddhism didn't spread to Greece, Greeks spread to the majority buddhist Afghanistan and Pakistan
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 17:30

What the... there were Greek Buddhists? How did Buddhism spread over Greece in the ancient times? 



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Reference.com/encyclopedia:

Original Home of Kambojas

Main article: Kamboja Location

Analysis of ancient Sanskrit texts and inscriptions place the Kambojas, Gandharas, Yavanas (Greeks), Madras, and the Sakas in the Uttarapatha - the northern division of Jambudvipa (the innermost concentric island continent in Hindu scripture). Geographically, this area sat along, and was named for, the main trade route from the mouth the Ganges to Balkh, now a small town in Northern Afghanistan. Some writers hold that Uttarapatha included the whole of Northern India and comprised very area of Central Asia, as far as the Urals and the Caspian Sea to the Yenisei and from Turkistan and Tien Shan ranges to as far as the Arctic (Dr S. M. Ali)."(end quote).

The Balkh are evidently the Bulgarians of Balkans. It seems that some Greeks were known very early to IndoEuropean Sanskrit Brahmins.
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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 12:07
Originally posted by pinguin

Well, I heared before that Greeks have a very important impact in Budism. There is even a style called Greek-Buddist that spread across Asia.
 
 
Most prominent representative is the Gandhara art and the Indo-Greek kingdoms that fostered it..
 
 
 
 
 
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Well, I heared before that Greeks have a very important impact in Budism. There is even a style called Greek-Buddist that spread across Asia.
 
I have also found certain clues of Greek influences in the field of Mathematics. If one read the works of Aryabatta, it is surprising to find the similarities between ancient geometry and methods to the work of that Indian genious. I believe Aryabatta was following a long tradition and was influenced by Greek mathematics.
 
So, the link exist.
 
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  Quote chimera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 16:20
Pali Sanskrit from Sri Lanka is closely linked to Buddhism in Thailand. The Greek-Bactrian Punjab is also connected with Kambojas and "Cambodia". This adds to the posssibility that Preak Khan temple at Angkor Wat which is described as having a Greek-style shrine, does in fact have Greek background.  So Greek influence stretched from Marseilles France to Cambodia. Typhon the Greek storm-god became "typhoon" of south China seas._OED 'typhoon'.
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