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    Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 11:52
Mortaza, if we were conversing in Turkish, I am sure we could understand each other better. I meant no offence.

Originally posted by DayI

Now really i wont go further into discussions with you

Seriously now, did you read all the posts?

By the way, Ismet Inonu was Turkish by all means possible. So I don't think you can picture him as an ordinary Kurd.


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Why not? if he was a Kurd he was a Kurd, it's just the reality it doesn't matter what you think about him or how he should act and behave.
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Blah blah, did he call himself as kurd or turk?
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Originally posted by Bulldog

Why not? if he was a Kurd he was a Kurd, it's just the reality it doesn't matter what you think about him or how he should act and behave.

His own opinion is all that matters. If we look at the situation racially... M. Kemal had blue eyes and blond hair. You know what I mean?
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No I don't, unless your a racist I don't see what the problem is or what it's got to do with this post.
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Originally posted by Bulldog

No I don't, unless your a racist I don't see what the problem is or what it's got to do with this post.

That's what I am talking about. Race doesn't matter.

Ismet Inonu was at least as much Turk as Mete Khan.

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Final warning on this thread...  Any more ad hominem and it gets locked, please respect each other by not making personal comments and sticking only to relevant discussions with a cordial tone.
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To all.
 
Even though this thread has the making of a good healthy debate let's still try to focus on the topic. :)
 
 
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Of course turkey can, Turkey can even destron Armenia, attack Iran and Russia, and then Greece. But I believe the question should be put that way: Will Turkey enter northern Iraq. Which I think, yes, if Karkuks status will get worse.
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Why do you care about Kirkuk in the first place? Does it mean anything to you?
 
I think it is because Turkey doesn't want the oil in the city to fund a Kurdistan.
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Take A Look At Me Man...Kerkk is a Turkmen City...And The Trkmens who lives in Iraq are our Brothers,Like Cyprus,We have the right to save them from the terrorist behaviours of Krds...But i accept that this will be difficult...We could enter to n.ıraq with USA,but we did not accept it...
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What do Turks give Kurds in Turkey?  Education in their own language? HUH? Turkmen receive education in their mother tongue in Kurdistan, You should take a leaf out of the "Terrorist Kurd" book and move a little closer to obtaining a 21rst century mind frame.
 
Prove the terrorist behaviour of Kurds in Iraq against Turkmen. Prove it or shut up and never make such BULLsh*t comments again.  I am sick to death of the racism of so many Turks against Kurds, I really bloody am and it makes me SICK.  Prove it and not from any of your racist BULLsh*t GRAY DOG sites.
 
 


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Ethnic cleaning against the Turkmens is a terrorist behaviour,it is impossible to see it against the kurds unless Pkk Kurds...Does not Krds try to make etnhnic changing in Kerkk for referandums...May be you do not know really,but trk intelligence rapport support this theory...
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Prove ethnic cleansing of Turkmens.  Amnesty international would know about it, go and check the site and let me know... Turkish intelligence is no good as it is in part a propaganda machine.
 
I have never seen or heard of any Turkmen ethnic cleansing, it is just a fabrication of Turkish fascists because they are so scared of a Kurdish state.
 
Have you ever even met any Iraqi Turkmen? I have and I have heard none of this rubbish.  Why the hell would Kurds WASTE money broadcasting Turkmen language and providing Turkmen (and Assyrian)children education in their language if they were ethnically cleansing?! It makes no sense.
 
Now, provide some evidence of this "ethnic cleansing" or do not mention it again... Kurds as a whole are not so savage as to carry out such atrocities, they have been the victims of it and would never put anyone else through the same suffering.
 
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Turkish secret services are very active in Northern Iraq. This is not good. Turkey should respect the will of the people who are living in that region.

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Kurds as a whole are not so savage as to carry out such atrocities
 
Anybody can do anything, Kurds are humans like everybody else, they can carry out atrocities just like everybody else, even against each other, remember the "Jash".
 
 
This site has objective reports and articles regarding Iraq Turkmens
 
Recently they have been targetted in bombing in Kerkuk, Assyrians arn't very happy either.
 
Well the whole of Iraq is chaotic so it would be wrong to expect miracles, hopefully the rulers in the North can eliminate terrorism from their terrotory and promote regional unity.
 
 


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There has always been a bloody discussion about Northern Iraq in Turkey. Some say the war between the two is inevitable. Some say Turkey should totally ignore the middle east and its horrible conflicts. However Nobody in Turkey could explain who the Kurds of N. Iraq are and what they are doing there with the Ankara baked Kurdish leaders Barzani and Talabani. I tell you the truth is that the turkish policy on N. Iraq has never changed for almost twenty years. The policy is: Annexation. The tools are: Barzani and Talabani. And it is Turkey that has been the protector of Northern Iraq against Saddam especially after 1991. It is Turkey that supplies N. Iraq economically now. There are full Turkish products over there.
 
Recently the political spokesman of the terrorist organization PKK Ahmed Turk has stated that Turkey should become "Big brother" of N. Iraq.  Infact Turkey is running for a Turkish-Kurdish federation that includes N. Iraq. Everyone should get ready to face that reality.  
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Originally posted by Kerimoglu

Of course turkey can, Turkey can even destron Armenia, attack Iran and Russia, and then Greece. But I believe the question should be put that way: Will Turkey enter northern Iraq. Which I think, yes, if Karkuks status will get worse.


In what way can Turkey enter northern Iraq? Will the Kurds just let them?

I think many Turks are really delusional about the real capability of their military.

I dont see how they think they can even make a difference in Iraq when the USA is having so much trouble.

Iraq isnt Cyprus, its bigger, has more people, and oh yea, actually had relatively strong militias with significant stores of weapons and which have shown the use of surprising technologies.

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There has always been a bloody discussion about Northern Iraq in Turkey. Some say the war between the two is inevitable. Some say Turkey should totally ignore the middle east and its horrible conflicts. However Nobody in Turkey could explain who the Kurds of N. Iraq are and what they are doing there with the Ankara baked Kurdish leaders Barzani and Talabani. I tell you the truth is that the turkish policy on N. Iraq has never changed for almost twenty years. The policy is: Annexation. The tools are: Barzani and Talabani. And it is Turkey that has been the protector of Northern Iraq against Saddam especially after 1991. It is Turkey that supplies N. Iraq economically now. There are full Turkish products over there.
 
Recently the political spokesman of the terrorist organization PKK Ahmed Turk has stated that Turkey should become "Big brother" of N. Iraq.  Infact Turkey is running for a Turkish-Kurdish federation that includes N. Iraq. Everyone should get ready to face that reality.  


So you think that Turkey has planned this for twenty years and that the PKK has been a tool of the Turkish government?

Good imagination, finally, conspiracy theories that are not about the USA for a change.


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Originally posted by Kerimoglu

Of course turkey can, Turkey can even destron Armenia, attack Iran and Russia, and then Greece. But I believe the question should be put that way: Will Turkey enter northern Iraq. Which I think, yes, if Karkuks status will get worse.


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