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    Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 13:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_20 04_Indian_Ocean_earthquake



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The Danes once again stand out as very generous (they give the most aid per capita, or was it % of total GDP, or any country IIRC).
But its early days yet, most of the aid will probably come from phone in donations that have already started.
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Hooray for Canada for pledging 40 million dollars, further adding to the impression that we are kind and generous people.
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It's glad to see all these countries pledging money, but I don't like the idea of us quantifying and judging other people's generosity.

Personally, I've given $50.  Has anyone else, and more importantly, could someone find the information to do so in foreign countries?  I've only found it for America, which is to call 1-800-HELP-NOW.
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The International Committee of the Red Cross and Red Crescent has a donation link on their home page:  http://www.icrc.org/eng

You can also contact your local chapter of the Red Cross/Crescent to see how they are soliciting disaster relief in your area.  Here they are asking for donations of funds only for the time being so that they can apply the aid as and where it it most desperately needed.

One local businessman has pledged to match donations up to $10,000 for the Red Cross Tsunami relief fund and has asked others to consider doing the same.

I agree that it is difficult to quantify  aid efforts - but hope that all will give as much as they are able.
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this list is a little easier to read.

KEY AID PLEDGES
  • EU $44m
  • US: $35m
  • Canada: $33m
  • Japan: $30m
  • UK: $28.9m
  • Australia: $27m
  • France: $20.4m
  • Denmark: $15.6m
  • Saudi Arabia: $10m
  • Norway: $6.6m
  • Taiwan: $5.1m
  • Finland: $3.4m
  • Kuwait: $2.1m
  • Netherlands: $2.6m
  • UAE: $2m
  • Ireland $1.3m
  • Singapore: $1.2m

Source: Reuters, United Nations

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4135099.stm
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It may be easier to read but it is not accurate at least as far as Canada is conserned. The secratery of defence anounced yesterday that the contribution from Canada was to 40 million and many of the provincial and civic governments are donating on top of that as well. This does not include the personal donations mostly being accepted by the Canadian red cross.

 

I tend to agree with others that qualifing aide donations is not nessesary. With the scale of this tragedy I think most are giving what they can and those that recieve it are greatful for what ever comes in. Even small amounts are of help.

 

Canadians wishing to donate aid to quake relief can call the Canadian Red Cross at 1-800-418-1111, UNICEF at 1-877-955-3111, Oxfam Canada at 1-800-466-9326, or CARE Canada at 1-800-267-5232.



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Originally posted by John Doe

this list is a little easier to read.

KEY AID PLEDGES
  • EU $44m
  • US: $35m
  • Canada: $33m
  • Japan: $30m
  • UK: $28.9m
  • Australia: $27m
  • France: $20.4m
  • Denmark: $15.6m
  • Saudi Arabia: $10m
  • Norway: $6.6m
  • Taiwan: $5.1m
  • Finland: $3.4m
  • Kuwait: $2.1m
  • Netherlands: $2.6m
  • UAE: $2m
  • Ireland $1.3m
  • Singapore: $1.2m

Source: Reuters, United Nations

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4135099.stm

Luxembourg (pop c. 350,000) has pledged $5 million.

 
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    yeah well....the BBC this morning just said that the American government for what it is is stingy as sh*t...but it's the American people who are the ones that are generous...well done Genghis...

    i personally couldn't talk because i have not donated a cent...but...i think i have a valid reason...i think...



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I believe this BBC statement is from a UN official rather. It was pointed at all of the world's richest countries because none of them give more than 1% of their GNP.

Generosity shouldnt be judged. US relief for assistance has been on the increase. The United States is the largest donor of aid, giving 40% of the world's alone. Also 60% percent of the world's humanitarian food relief.

I have boarded ships in port here filled to the brim with grain bound for North Korea if you can believe it,even as they spend all their money on arms. Thats not greed.

This is not a final tally of contributions, Powell has
said that aid for the Tsunami could go into the billions.

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You can't quantify it, and yes, you must factor in the cost of the ships and such, but we can afford more.  We spent $14 billion on Florida.  While I'm not expecting that kind of aid to be sent, surely we can spare more than $35 million (which was quickly upped from $15 million after we were embarrased, despite the claim that the two are unrelated).  They're spending $40 million on the Inaguration alone.  That's like Bill Gates buying a new Mercedes with cash and then saying he can't spare much for the Salvation Army Santa.
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The US has incrementally been raising the contributions as the death toll and damage has risen. GW doesnt have a stack of blank checks. Powell and Jeb Bush are heading there to access the situation now. You cant immediately start throwing hundreds of millions of dollars aimlessly towards Southeastern Asia. The last i checked, India had denied any monetary assistance saying it could take care of itself. They definately will receive help in some fashion.

Yes, i think factoring the ships and plane drops ect., is important but not because of the cost but because it shows that the US can physically get in there and help.
What would be nice is to see some of these oversized cooperations publicly donate.

Im sorry, but the next person from some organization that says anything again in the wake of all this, should just stfu and either reach in his/her own pocket or roll up their sleeves.

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Im sorry, but the next person from some organization that says anything again in the wake of all this, should just stfu and either reach in his/her own pocket or roll up their sleeves.


Couldn't agree more, a well timed airplane of emercency medical supplies can achieve more than some cash in the hands of officials who may not even spend it wisely.
Besides, there is talk of upwards of 500 million having been pledged so far, and it can only grow as time passes.
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Just sent a small symbolic (I am supposed to be a poor student after all...) gift  to the local Red Cross. Took quite a while though, since the servers were overloaded. Hopefully the Swedish Government will compensate for the worthless early reaction from the UD(Foreign Department). For starters the head of the dep. went to the theater when she heard about the disaster instead of doing her job. The always so mild state minister is said to be furious about the whole mess though, so maybe something will happen soon.

A little updated list.

  • World Bank: $250m
  • UK: $96m
  • Sweden: $75m
  • Spain: $69m
  • China: $63m
  • France: $57m
  • Canada: $59m
  • EU: $44m
  • Japan: $40m
  • Netherlands: $36m
  • US: $35m
  • Australia: $33m
  • Germany: $26m
  • Switzerland: $22m
  • Denmark: $18.3m
  • Norway: $16.4m
  • Portugal: $11m
  • Saudi Arabia: $10m
  • Holy See: $6m
  • Taiwan: $5.1m
  • Italy: $3.9m
  • Finland: $3.4m
  • Kuwait: $2.1m
  • UAE: $2m
  • Ireland: $1.3m
  • Austria: $1.3m
  • Luxembourg: $1.3m
  • Singapore: $1.2m
This is only governmental aid, organizations and private givings not included. Also, numerous other contributions are made - just saw on the news the US has directed a fleet to the area, that CocaCola has donated $10m and my local bank another million dollar.




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 Russia has contributed little to this as it seems. I guessFfreign aid (and money in general) is not something we can spend lightly.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

 CocaCola has donated $10m


      bout time they did something good....
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its hard to say with a lo9t of these lists

some list the monmey from thre countryiess perspect9ve, others translate it to US dollars first, the list I possted above was all in US dollars, hence the difference between the Canadian  and Australian dollar figures.

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US aid is up to $350 million.

I heard today that Pfizer has pledged 35 million and that the Red Cross raised 18 million in 3 days in the US.

And one young boy in Washington State opened a hot chocolate stand to help raise money and raised $225 in a few hours.  

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Koreans are stingy...Sk gave only about 1.4 million dollars...there was even a news bit on how ashamed the people were...
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Originally posted by Cornellia

US aid is up to $350 million.

I heard today that Pfizer has pledged 35 million and that the Red Cross raised 18 million in 3 days in the US.

And one young boy in Washington State opened a hot chocolate stand to help raise money and raised $225 in a few hours.  

Pfizer? Medicine company, yes?

 

Just read that the Red Cross has raised 10 million dollars here.
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