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    Posted: 28-Dec-2004 at 22:08

Everyone knows Napoleon. However, not many know that Napoleon in some ways idolized Federick the Great of Prussia.

Though I am familiar with Napoleon and his battles, I am not familiar with Federick's tactics. Who was the more capable general, fellow forum goers?

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I believe Nepoleon was a more capable gerneral becuase he motivated people that no general could ever do.
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I'll still go with Napoleon, although Frederich the Great was another genius of warfare - however, he also suffered a lot of defeats.  His true genius lay in the fact that he was able to pick up moral after each defeat and then inflict a defeat on his enemies with a vengeance (Rossbach anyone?).
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 14:16

of course I have to go with Napoleon, but they're almost on the same level, military wise. It was Frederick who had the habit of dressing in a grey coat, later copied by Napoleon and Hitler. Napoleon also visited the tomb of Frederick after the capture of Berlin, like Hitler visited the tomb of Napoleon after the capture of Paris.

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  Quote Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 11:41

Originally posted by DuxPimpJuice

I'll still go with Napoleon, although Frederich the Great was another genius of warfare - however, he also suffered a lot of defeats.  His true genius lay in the fact that he was able to pick up moral after each defeat and then inflict a defeat on his enemies with a vengeance (Rossbach anyone?).

From what I've heard, Frederick was always horribly outnumbered when going into his battles. Napoleon had the most populous country in Europe behind him.

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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 12:39
Keep in mind that Napoleon's Empire was lost and that he died in exile on a deserted island and that Frederick kept his conquests (Silesia) and died warm in his bed, the leader of a much strengthened power.
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  Quote J.M.Finegold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 12:50
Napoleon was also outnumbered in most numbers (although not horribly)... but Napoleon conquered more...and ... I win..no you can't persuade me different... 
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 15:52

Originally posted by Genghis

Keep in mind that Napoleon's Empire was lost and that he died in exile on a deserted island and that Frederick kept his conquests (Silesia) and died warm in his bed, the leader of a much strengthened power.

 

yes I think that is most important, whatever the battles, Frederick won his wars, Napoleon lost.

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  Quote J.M.Finegold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 16:39
But, the question wasn't who was the better administrator, or better politician.  The question was who was the most capable general.  And Napoleon shows a much better understanding of tactics and strategy than Frederick the Great.  Much of Frederick's victories came after years and years of his own battlefield failures, and he was very lucky the Russians decided to end the war, because had the Russians continued with the invasion of Russia it was very possible that Prussia would have fallen.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2005 at 14:55
yes, Frederick was able to keep Silesia due to sheer luck. Russia dropped out becasue the new Czar was pro-Prussian and the French got badly mauled int ehir colonies by the English and on the continent by Fredericks army, so the war got too expenisve for them and they dropped out. the Austrians were elft alone and dropped out of the war. but militarily, at the end of the 3rd Silesian war (7 years war), Frederick was at the verge of total defeat, like Napoleon in 1814.
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Frederick The Great once remarked ''Diplomacy without force is like music without instruments.''

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