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    Posted: 28-Dec-2004 at 05:01

Does anybody have pictures of real Roman armor both pre-Marius and post-Marius times? I like to see if it looks like its hand crafted and hand pounded by blacksmiths. I tried googling it and all I get is online stores about Roman armor replicas for re-enactors which looks like its been factory reproduced. I've seen some pics though of Roman eagles and guidons. Also, when they were fighting against the Germans, Gauls, and Britons, did the Romans where any winter gear like boots, combat socks (heavy socks), and pants. All the color plates Ive seen in books like Military History Magazine and Osprey books show Romans in skirts and sandles for Mediterranean warfare not northern European warfare. Thanks for any response I get.

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     no you're not gonna see any originals ones....contain your grief...
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    hrm...is this my first post in this forum since i first joined?
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i just know that the legionaries had a thick overcoat for rain and winter campaigns, but I don't know of any other special equipment.
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They were issued woollen pants and cloaks, but I don't know about long sleeves.  There were boots, but I'm not sure exactly how they were made, or with what.  Leather, of course, but there may have been other materials.  I don't know about socks.

I don't know about the other question, but how else would they be made?

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Here is a legionary from around 300AD. During their campaigns in colder places like Britain or Romania the legionaries adapted local clothing and equipment
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 15:26
Originally posted by Nick1986


Here is a legionary from around 300AD. During their campaigns in colder places like Britain or Romania the legionaries adapted local clothing and equipment
 
I got one question about this picture. Why would they replace their scutum with a such round shield?
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 19:20
When they began recruiting German mercenaries. By the time Rome fell legionaries used similar equipment to their barbarian foes
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  Quote d' artagnan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 20:13
In 300 A.D the Romans weren't using that many barbarian soldiers though were they. I was under the impression that they didn't become that intwined until closer to 500 A.D.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 19:45
Didn't Rome fall to the barbarians in 475 AD?

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Yes, but the emperor and his court were in Ravenna. So it lasted a bit longer, and much later you have Justinian.

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  Quote Guaporense Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2011 at 21:25
The Roman army "evolved" during the late roman empire to meet the new realities of a declining civilization. The square/round shield change reflected that, as the square shield was ideal for organized combat in infantry formations.

Classical legion:

Late imperial legion:


The late roman legion used round shields because the Roman state didn't have the money to train the soldiers to work as an organized fighting machine like the early legion was. Instead the late legion was a militia and hence had to use round shields because round shields are better in individual combat.




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  Quote Guaporense Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2011 at 21:48
This photo is of an original 2nd century helmet:

Parade helmet, of course.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2011 at 15:18
Originally posted by Guaporense


This photo is of an original 2nd century helmet:Parade helmet, of course.




Of course the above description is only the opinion of certain persons, and not "fact!"

As a matter of "fact" maybe some of you should read about the uniforms of the famous "Almogavars", or "the Great Catalan Company."?

It seems that these later day "Romans" dressed almost exactly like the ancient ones!

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