QuoteReplyTopic: Thirteenth anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 16:30
On this day, 13 years ago the Supreme Soviet voted to disolve
itself adn the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, marking the
beggining of the liberation of Europe (with the exception of
Russia)from it's masters and the unchallenged power of America. America
also hasn't been in the best condition since then, both politically and
economically. Russia has been in steady decline untill 1998 when,
following years of lack of basic goods and services, inflation hit an
all time high and prices for basic food items went into the hundreds of
thousands. The situation has been improving vastly with the ousting of
Yeltzin from office, but Russia still has a long way to go. Putin is
introducing new policies to improve the economy and beeign stricter
with Chechnya. I believe that within fifty years Russia will regain the
Superpower status and become a serious rival to India and China.
Historically this marked the end of communist-socialism in all major
countries (with China beeing a fake communist state which emraces
capitalism) and has led to the combination of Communism and Capitalism
to form the system beeing used in a lot of successful countries
including Germany and Sweden. This marks the end of communism in any
important countries for at least another 200 years.
My opinion of the whole thing. What about you?
I think you're very right, and I do think that Russia will certainly reassert her traditional dominance, she's already doing so in the Ukraine. I wish them the best of luck against those Chechen bandits as well.
After the termination of the first Chechen war, the leadership of the Chechen Republic Ichkeria repeatedly warned the international community that the kidnappings of journalists and representatives of humanitarian organizations by the special services of Russia are provocations. These crimes intend informational and humanitarian isolation of the Chechen Republic and cause negative reaction to the newly formed Chechen State . There is a certain document of the FSB under the title Special measures for neutralization of the hotbeds of separatism in the Northern Caucasus , indicating the existence of this plan. This document received publicity owing to the activities of the Antiterrorist Centre of the Chechen Republic Ichkeria (AC of CRI). Here are several items of this document revealing the essence of special operations of the FSB:
Mass ideological propaganda should be accompanied by concrete special measures on the territory of Chechnya .
First Stage Informational isolation of Chechnya .
Second Stage Total isolation.
The task of the first stage can be accomplished simply In poor and devastated republic there are many people wishing to earn much money at once. The point is kidnapping of the civilians. It can be done with the help of the journalists and representatives of humanitarian organizations. They should become the articles of trade. On the next stage, everyone who has money should become the article of trade. Apparently, it will be most effective if the objects of attack become the neighbors of Chechnya .
The independent Chechen press published a great deal of materials dealing with the kidnappings of the journalists and representatives of humanitarian organizations, carried out by Russian special services during the armistice between the two wars. The Chechen journalists reported that the employees of different special services, operated under the guise of bearded Muslims initiating the kidnappings in Chechnya .
A very negative resonance in Chechnya had the kidnapping of the NTV camera operators headed by Russian TV presenter Elena Maslyuk. This crime was committed on 10 May 1997 in the environs of the Chechen village Samashki, when journalist Elena Maslyuk was abducted together with the operator of VTV Ilya Mordukov and sound technician Dmitry Olchev. The participation of Russian special services in this crime is pointed out by the fact that two days later, i.e. on 12 May 1997 , the Summit talks of the two Presidents Maskhadov and Eltsin, was to be held. This crime was intended to ruin the forthcoming meeting, or, at least, to make it impossible to sign the historical document of Peace Agreement and Principles of relations between the Russian Federation and Chechen Republic Ichkeria. But the enemies went wrong the document was signed.
However, common sense of the parties triumphed for a short time And in 1997 the Russian special services failed to set the Chechen people to fight, the bloody plan was a success two years later, in the autumn of 1999. This tie, the bloody Kremlin lieutenant colonel, having seized upon the armchair of the prime minister of Russia , decided not to waste his energy on the journalists, and started to act, having sent hundreds of his dear Russians through hexogen to join their ancestors.
Having unleashed a new war against the Chechen people, Putin infringed not only the historical Agreement, but also the most important article of Hasavyurt Agreement, according to which the recognition of sovereignty of Chechnya by Russia is deferred until 2001. Now, with the coming of Putin to power, the Russians were faced with dilemma either recognition of Chechnya 's sovereignty before the year 2001, or recommencement of the war.
Putin chose the second. The new Russian president could not behave otherwise, as headed not only the war party in Russia , but also the most bloodthirsty advance-guard the KGB. It is noted in the abovementioned document: The aim (of Russian authorities M.A.) is to prevent appearance of the so-called state Ichkeria in the map of the world. But Putin's treachery is not the most strange thing. The international community, having welcomed the democratic elections in Chechnya as a result of which Aslan Maskhadov became President of CRI, manifested not less treachery with respect to the Chechen people and Chechen President. The heads of the leading countries of international community declared Chechnya to be a home affair of Russia that meant non-intervention in Russian affairs even if Putin intends to carry out genocide of the Chechen people.
Now let us return to the cameramen of the Russian TV. We recollected the incident of kidnapping of the journalists of NTV in connection with the recent report of Russian TV that on 17 December, a person suspected in this crime was detained. It is quite reasonable to put a question: Is it possible that Russian special services, eight years later decided to convict their former colleague?
It is proved that not only the special services but also the Kremlin authorities were concerned with the kidnappings in Chechnya, and first of all it is proved by the fact that Sergei Stepashin, then Minister of Internal Affairs of RF, made an open statement in the Russian press with respect to the abduction of Masyuk and a group of cameramen: We have given rise to this problem, having paid several years ago two million dollars for the kidnapped journalist. (Severni Kavkaz, N41, 1998).
Those who doubt should answer the question What great services had journalist of NTV Masyuk before the leadership of FSB? But if we reflect seriously, it is not difficult to understand that Masyuk accomplished a very important task if she failed to ruin the signing of the Agreement on 12 may 1997, the image of the Chechen Resistance was stained, consequently, the Chechen Mujahideen were declared the kidnappers of civilians.
But it would not be reasonable to relieve certain Chechen fighters of the responsibility those, who having fallen for the bait of Russian special services, became the executors, i.e. the kidnappers. Now not only the kidnappers of Masyuk, but also almost all former executors can be found in different departments of Russian special services, who threw off the masks of Muslims. Especially there are lots of them among the so-called kadyrov's men, who, covered with the Kremlin and Lubyanka as before, continue to carry out their criminal actions. With one difference.
If earlier the executors of Russian special services treated their victims humanely, receiving large sums of money for the secret agents, - journalists and employees of humanitarian organizations, now the kidnappers in Russian uniform are acting brutally: in most cases the kidnapped people disappear. And only few of them are fated to survive and be released, though disabled, and such freedom cost them much money.
Accordign to information received from Chechnya, President Aslan Maskhadov's relatives were captured on 4 December by the Russian invaders and their armed accomplices from Kadyrov's gangs. The Chechen sources report that the capture was accompanied by beating and malicious insults at the people whose only fault is the fact that they are the Ichkerian leader's relatives.
The hostages were taken to the den of national traitors in the village of Khosi-Yurt . Nothing is known about their further fate. That is not the first seizure of Aslan Maskhadov's relatives by the invaders and their local accomplices: this kind of criminal action was committed in the days of Beslan tragedy. One may say that the suggestion of the Russia Public Prosecutor General Ustinov concerning the counter-hostage-taking is being realized on the territory of Chechnya . However, in this case the prefix counter does not reflect the truth at all: this is not a reciprocal hostage-taking but an unmotivated crime committed by the invaders and their lackeys.
On receipt of new material we will inform the readers about the further fate of the Chechen President's relatives.
Chechenpress, On-line Information Department, 5 December 2004
09.12.04
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
I think you're very right, and I do think that Russia will certainly reassert her traditional dominance, she's already doing so in the Ukraine. I wish them the best of luck against those Chechen bandits as well.
Genghis there's no bigger hypocrite than you...in my thread in the intellectual forum about the Taiwan vice-president making stupid remarks...you seem to applaud the actions of Taiwan seperatists...and yet, i see you here wishing Russia would one day crush the seperatists of Chechnya...
its a sign of intelligence to be able to appraise different situations independantly and not be clouded by ideologies that should never be aplied to the whole world to use on everything.
"the people are nothing but a great beast...
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value."
-Alexander Hamilton
The Chechen bandits are fighting for the dispicable goal of helping spread the virus of radical Islamic fundamentalism. The Taiwanese have the admirable goals of resisting the equally evil virus of Communism. I fail to see how I'm hypocritical.
It's also stupid to be of the opinion to say that separatists are always wrong or always right, it's not the fact that they want separation that's important, it's what they hope to achieve with that separation.
its a sign of intelligence to be able to appraise different situations independantly and not be clouded by ideologies that should never be aplied to the whole world to use on everything.
How come Genghis' belligerent neo-con liberalism doesn't count as an ideology? What makes you think that this is the only healthy way of thinking, unclouded, or should I say, not infected by viruses... Can this be the only 'approved' way of thinking over there?
The Chechen bandits are fighting for the dispicable goal of helping spread the virus of radical Islamic fundamentalism. The Taiwanese have the admirable goals of resisting the equally evil virus of Communism.
What's this with the right wing and viruses? Nazis used to call the Jews viruses, a cancer spreading in the heart of Europe that had to be cut away. Later various right wing governments called Communism a virus that had to be contained. Now, the new virus is Islamic fundamentalism. The message is so clear: Fear them! They are out to get you! There is no way to coexist! No chance to make peace! Only way is to destroy them before they kill us! Fear them and vote your strong leader who will protect you...
Did the Republican Party really use an ad featuring circling wolves for the election?
Well Islamic fundamentalism is a virus, unlike Jews. Communism is no
better and no worse than capitalism. Ask 40 year olds from Russia and
America about their teens and Im assuming both will say they had a
great time. Just one example. People were happy (after Stalin), much
happier than are now. Not that communism was a good thigns, but it was
no worse than America.
its a sign of intelligence to be able to appraise different situations independantly and not be clouded by ideologies that should never be aplied to the whole world to use on everything.
How come Genghis' belligerent neo-con liberalism doesn't count as an ideology? What makes you think that this is the only healthy way of thinking, unclouded, or should I say, not infected by viruses... Can this be the only 'approved' way of thinking over there?
The Chechen bandits are fighting for the dispicable goal of helping spread the virus of radical Islamic fundamentalism. The Taiwanese have the admirable goals of resisting the equally evil virus of Communism.
What's this with the right wing and viruses? Nazis used to call the Jews viruses, a cancer spreading in the heart of Europe that had to be cut away. Later various right wing governments called Communism a virus that had to be contained. Now, the new virus is Islamic fundamentalism. The message is so clear: Fear them! They are out to get you! There is no way to coexist! No chance to make peace! Only way is to destroy them before they kill us! Fear them and vote your strong leader who will protect you...
Did the Republican Party really use an ad featuring circling wolves for the election?
First off, I don't appreciate the idea of you equating my beliefs with Nazism. And how could you say radical Islamic fundamentalism isn't out to get America? The killed thousands of Americans in a single day, I think that's a fairly good sign of what their intentions are. And how could we make peace with radical ideologues like Bin Laden who has said that he wants to the see the destruction of America. Would anyone be foolish enough to say that the world should have tried to live peacefully with Nazism? If there was a reasonable way to live with Bin Laden peacefully, I'd like to try it, but he himself has made it abundantly clear that that is impossible. Thus, it follows that only his destruction will bring peace.
History should have made that clear. When two groups have interests as divergent as Capitalism and Communism, or the West now and radical Islam, war will inevitably follow. Look at Rome and Carthage or the rivalry between England and France. Sometimes peace is impossible, and war is then justified and the only option.
It are the russians who present Chcech independence fighters as wahabits, islamic fundamentalists while really majority of them is far from the religious fanatism and fights only for independence of their poor nation.
Great polish poet Zbigniew Herbert, more than 20 years ago wrote the poem titled "report from a besieged city". All what he said in this poem apply also to Chechenia and i dedicate it to the Chechen fighters:
Report from a Besieged City
Too old to carry arms and fight like the others
they graciously gave me the inferior role of chronicler I record I don't know for whom the history of the siege
I am supposed to be exact but I don't know when the invasion began two hundred years ago in December in September perhaps yesterday
at dawn everyone here suffers from a loss of the sense of time
all we have left is the place the attachment to the place we still rule over the ruins of temples spectres of gardens and houses if we lose the ruins nothing will be left
I write as I can in the rhythm of interminable weeks monday: empty storehouses a rat became the unit of currency tuesday: the mayor murdered by unknown assailants wednesday: negotiations for a cease-fire the enemy has imprisoned
our messengers we don't know where they are held that is the place of torture thursday: after a stormy meeting a majority of voices rejected the motion of the spice merchants for unconditional surrender friday: the beginning of the plague saturday: our invincible defender N.N. committed suicide sunday: no more water we drove back an attack at the eastern gate called the Gate of the Alliance
all of this is monotonous I know it can't move anyone
I avoid any commentary I keep a tight hold on my emotions I write
about the facts only they it seems are appreciated in foreign markets yet with a certain pride I would like to inform the world that thanks to the war we have raised a new species of children our children dont like fairy tales they play at killing awake and asleep they dream of soup of bread and bones just like dogs and cats
in the evening I like to wander near the outposts of the City along the frontier of our uncertain freedom I look at the swarms of soldiers below their lights I listen to the noise of drums barbarian shrieks truly it is inconceivable the City is still defending itself the siege has lasted a long time the enemies must take turns nothing unites them except the desire for our extermination Goths the Tartars Swedes troops of the Emperor regiments of the
Transfiguration who can count them the colors of their banners change like the forest on the horizon from delicate bird's yellow in spring through green through red to
winter's black
and so in the evening released from facts I can think about distant ancient matters for example our friends beyond the sea I know they sincerely sympathize they send us flour lard sacks of comfort and good advice they dont even know their fathers betrayed us our former allies at the time of the second Apocalypse their sons are blameless they deserve our gratitude therefore we are
grateful they have not experienced a siege as long as eternity those struck by misfortune are always alone the defenders of the Dalai Lama the Kurds the Afghan mountaineers
now as I write these words the advocates of conciliation have won the upper hand over the party of inflexibles a normal hesitation of moods fate still hangs in the balance
cemeteries grow larger the number of defenders is smaller yet the defense continues it will continue to the end and if the City falls but a single man escapes he will carry the City within himself on the roads of exile he will be the City we look in the face of hunger the face of fire face of death worst of all the face of betrayal
and only our dreams have not been humiliated
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
Russia can't accept Chechen independence, or else the possibility of another Time of Troubles will occur, and regardless of whether the majority of Chechen fighters are religious, there is a great likelihood that an independent Chechnya would fall under the power of Wahabists. The Russian people cannot let the new Russia begin to unravel at the seams.
And a proud Chinese people cannot allow the same to happent to
Taiwan... any form seperatism shall be crushed, simple as that...
So that means you disagree with the independence of the US, India,
Mexico, Brazil, Greece, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Ireland, etc.
etc. as well? All those countries started as separatists movements.
Originally posted by Genghis
And how could you say radical Islamic fundamentalism isn't out to get
America? The killed thousands of Americans in a single day, I think
that's a fairly good sign of what their intentions are.
It's not a simple good vs evil thing. An average United States
intervention kills a higher number than the people of 9/11. Usuallyit's
completely for the US's own interests. Of course this does not justify
9/11 a tiny bit, but I don't see why 9/11 is dispicable, and killing
people in interventions isn't.
The best way to stop terrorism is not participating in it.
There is a differrence between Taiwan and Chechnya. Taiwan has been
indpeendent from Chiona since their revolution. Chechnya has been ours
and they want to separate now. the problem is they want to separate
based on the fac tthat they are not orthodox Slavs. Other could use the
same logic to separate from us, everyone even the eskimos could. We
cannot give them independence only because the others would want it. It
would be great for the war to stop, but that would casue irreversible
damage to Russia. Soviets would have handled it the same. Dont forget
Putin is and ex KGB memebr, and uses many Soviet policies.
Also you seemt o have forgotten about hte Ocesians(sp?). They were
attacked by Chechnya nad defended by us and yet almost no one outside
of Russia has even heard of them. Chechens don;t like Ocesians adn we
save them. Chechens are the wrong ones here.
First off, I don't appreciate the idea of you equating my beliefs with Nazism.
I am not 'equating' your beliefs with the nazis. You are a neo-conservative. Nazis are a racist brand of fascist. Although you too are an authoritarian capitalist, you are not authoritarian enough to be called a fascist (or nazi), and as far as I know you are not a racist either. What I've been pointing at was a certain style of propaganda and political tactic favoured by the right-wing in general. If you don't want someone to show the similarities, don't use nazi propaganda methods or terminology. If you do, don't complain to me because I point it out.
And how could you say radical Islamic fundamentalism isn't out to get America? The killed thousands of Americans in a single day, I think that's a fairly good sign of what their intentions are. And how could we make peace with radical ideologues like Bin Laden who has said that he wants to the see the destruction of America.
Stupid Bush propaganda. Everyone from the CIA directors to Bin Ladin himself tell us that the reason behind Al Qaida attacks is American involvement in the Middle East. Specifically, unconditional American support for Israel and American military presence in Saudi Arabia. Actually America already bowed to Bin Ladin's key demand and moved the military out of Saudi. Silently, of course.
So here's something new for you: Bin Ladin hates you not because of what you are, but because of your policies. If radical Islam is a virus it was created in CIA labs, anyway. USA trained them and financed them against the Soviet Union everywhere, even in Turkey. In the 80s America was in bed with Bin Ladin. Yet now you are trying to make us believe that he hates every single thing about America. Yeah, sure.
Let me tell you something, many people in Turkey, who oppose the Islamists think that the US still controls the Islamists and Al Qaida. That's why there are so many conspiracy theories in the Middle East about 9/11: they are so used to the Wahhabis being American tools that they have a hard time believing that those people can have a different agenda and act independently.
Your leaders tell you that they attack because 'they hate our freedom, they hate America' and however incredibly ridiculous it sounds to the rest of the world who doesn't follow American media, it seems most people buy it over there. Even if Americans were that free, the obvious truth is nobody would attack someone else because they are envious of their freedom or their SUVs or their world-leading obesity rates. What's even more incredible is that they are packaging the Iraq war as a war against Al Qaida and people are buyng it... Of course the Democrats are huge losers and that Karl Rove guy has a genious that dwarfs Goebbels'.
Would anyone be foolish enough to say that the world should have tried to live peacefully with Nazism?
Well some do, obviously. It had business ties with the Nazis (Bush family, for instance), it was and still is happy to accomodate countless fascist and racist regimes all around the world. USA never called fascism nor racism a virus...
First off, I don't appreciate the idea of you equating my beliefs with Nazism.
I am not 'equating' your beliefs with the nazis. You are a neo-conservative. Nazis are a racist brand of fascist. Although you too are an authoritarian capitalist, you are not authoritarian enough to be called a fascist (or nazi), and as far as I know you are not a racist either. What I've been pointing at was a certain style of propaganda and political tactic favoured by the right-wing in general. If you don't want someone to show the similarities, don't use nazi propaganda methods or terminology. If you do, don't complain to me because I point it out.
Don't presume to tell me what I am or am not. How is what you're saying not anti-American propaganda? All opinions are propaganda until one side is the evident winner, then the victor's propaganda becomes truth. That's the way this sick and twisted world works.
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
And how could you say radical Islamic fundamentalism isn't out to get America? The killed thousands of Americans in a single day, I think that's a fairly good sign of what their intentions are. And how could we make peace with radical ideologues like Bin Laden who has said that he wants to the see the destruction of America.
Stupid Bush propaganda. Everyone from the CIA directors to Bin Ladin himself tell us that the reason behind Al Qaida attacks is American involvement in the Middle East. Specifically, unconditional American support for Israel and American military presence in Saudi Arabia. Actually America already bowed to Bin Ladin's key demand and moved the military out of Saudi. Silently, of course.
So here's something new for you: Bin Ladin hates you not because of what you are, but because of your policies. If radical Islam is a virus it was created in CIA labs, anyway. USA trained them and financed them against the Soviet Union everywhere, even in Turkey. In the 80s America was in bed with Bin Ladin. Yet now you are trying to make us believe that he hates every single thing about America. Yeah, sure.
Let me tell you something, many people in Turkey, who oppose the Islamists think that the US still controls the Islamists and Al Qaida. That's why there are so many conspiracy theories in the Middle East about 9/11: they are so used to the Wahhabis being American tools that they have a hard time believing that those people can have a different agenda and act independently.
Your leaders tell you that they attack because 'they hate our freedom, they hate America' and however incredibly ridiculous it sounds to the rest of the world who doesn't follow American media, it seems most people buy it over there. Even if Americans were that free, the obvious truth is nobody would attack someone else because they are envious of their freedom or their SUVs or their world-leading obesity rates. What's even more incredible is that they are packaging the Iraq war as a war against Al Qaida and people are buyng it... Of course the Democrats are huge losers and that Karl Rove guy has a genious that dwarfs Goebbels'.
I'm sure he didn't like America while we supported him, I wouldn't. Only Bin Laden and America are smart enough to make us of the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and so we used Jihadist lives to kill Soviets and they used American money and weapons.
I know that Bin Laden would sing the Star-Spangled Banner if we pulled out of the Middle East entirely, but what type of honorable country would give in to such demands under the threat of force? I bet if you lived in the 30's you'd say "Japan would want peace but the only reason we don't have it is because America won't quit meddling in the Pacific."
I don't believe that Bin Laden hates us because we watch MTV, drink beer, or listen to rap music. Bush just says that because he's smart and knows stupid people will buy it. Stupid people always do. Bin Laden hates our power in the Middle East, and if we did withdrawal, peace would reign. But the dishonor and loss of power would be unbearable. Would you presume to tell Britain and France that to attain peace with Hitler they should have surrendered central Europe to him? Peace is not the grandest prize.
In summary, the wishes of Bin Laden and the interets of America conflict irreconcialably, and thus one of us must be destroyed or defeated before peace can occur. I shall continue to pray that the vanquished shall be Bin Laden.
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
Would anyone be foolish enough to say that the world should have tried to live peacefully with Nazism?
Well some do, obviously. It had business ties with the Nazis (Bush family, for instance), it was and still is happy to accomodate countless fascist and racist regimes all around the world. USA never called fascism nor racism a virus...
Please tell me how the Bush family had ties with the Nazis. You people are so full of it, soon you'll be telling me the Bush family had ties with Attila the Hun and Darth Vader. And we have called fascism and racism viruses many times.
I know that Bin Laden would sing the Star-Spangled
Banner if we pulled out of the Middle East entirely, but what type of
honorable country would give in to such demands under the threat of
force? I bet if you lived in the 30's you'd say "Japan would want
peace but the only reason we don't have it is because America won't
quit meddling in the Pacific."
I don't believe that Bin Laden hates us because we watch MTV, drink
beer, or listen to rap music. Bush just says that because he's
smart and knows stupid people will buy it. Stupid people always
do. Bin Laden hates our power in the Middle East, and if we did
withdrawal, peace would reign. But the dishonor and loss of power
would be unbearable. Would you presume to tell Britain and France
that to attain peace with Hitler they should have surrendered central
Europe to him? Peace is not the grandest prize.
There's one big difference between the USA retreating from the Middle
East and the Anglo-American allies in WW2: The United States support
repressive dictatorships in the Middle East. Sometimes they overthrow
one when it becomes annoying, but in general the US allies in the
Middle East (and many other regions) were dictatorships or
authoritarian regimes. The Anglo-America allies in WW2 fought
against dictatorships, and re-installed democracy.
I know that Bin Laden would sing the Star-Spangled Banner if we pulled out of the Middle East entirely, but what type of honorable country would give in to such demands under the threat of force? I bet if you lived in the 30's you'd say "Japan would want peace but the only reason we don't have it is because America won't quit meddling in the Pacific."
I don't believe that Bin Laden hates us because we watch MTV, drink beer, or listen to rap music. Bush just says that because he's smart and knows stupid people will buy it. Stupid people always do. Bin Laden hates our power in the Middle East, and if we did withdrawal, peace would reign. But the dishonor and loss of power would be unbearable. Would you presume to tell Britain and France that to attain peace with Hitler they should have surrendered central Europe to him? Peace is not the grandest prize.
There's one big difference between the USA retreating from the Middle East and the Anglo-American allies in WW2: The United States support repressive dictatorships in the Middle East. Sometimes they overthrow one when it becomes annoying, but in general the US allies in the Middle East (and many other regions) were dictatorships or authoritarian regimes. The Anglo-America allies in WW2 fought against dictatorships, and re-installed democracy.
We support Israel, a democracy, yet we are blamed for that. We also support Egypt, which is a democracy, even though it can be corrupt. Other than that there aren't many democracies for us to pick from in the Middle East, and we need allies there regardless of what their government types are. They can do whatever they want by themselves as long as America can make a sweet deal with them and they don't become unruly. Such is the way of the world, and I'm not ashamed in admitting that I would play it if the cards were in my hand, as opposed to many others who sit in front of a screen and pretend that they would be knights in shining armor rescuing the world from all the ills that trouble it.
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