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Afghanan
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Topic: Being Muslim to You Posted: 26-Dec-2006 at 14:12 |
This is to all the Muslim members of the forum:
When somebody identifies himself as a Muslim, what standards do you hold that person by?
Secondly are most of your friends Muslims?
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Omar al Hashim
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Posted: 26-Dec-2006 at 18:00 |
When somebody identifies himself as a Muslim, what standards do you hold that person by? |
I hold them by standards I expect muslims to behave like, which are a
good deal higher than the standards I expect anyone else to behave
like. For example, if a muslim drinks alcohol, I think badly of that
person, if a non-muslim drinks, I couldn't care less. However if a
non-muslim doesn't drink, then he earns my respect.
Secondly are most of your friends Muslims? |
Most of my friends are not muslims.
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Kapikulu
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Posted: 26-Dec-2006 at 20:33 |
I give the most value to his character...Honesty, humane behavior, helpful, friendly,tolerant and non-prejudicial approach..
These are what I look for in all people,but I expect those more in people who identify themselves as Muslims.
If he drinks or not, that is his own choice and it is between God and himself/herself, but values and principles are what matter for me.
But unfortunately, these kind of deeds and behavior are progressively decreasing among Muslims in my humble opinion.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 09:45 |
For me a good person regardless of religion is one who follows his own beliefs truly. I judge people by that.
Most of my friends are muslim.
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bg_turk
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 11:44 |
I do not judge people on the basis of their religion.
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Northman
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 15:04 |
Judging other people will gain you or your case nothing. Trying to understand them is so much more fertile whether you succeed in doing this or not.
And your lack of understanding does not have to be their fault.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 15:18 |
Originally posted by Northman
Judging other people will gain you or your case nothing. Trying to understand them is so much more fertile whether you succeed in doing this or not.
And your lack of understanding does not have to be their fault.
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I 'm joining with Northman on this Judiging leads to prejudging and I don't like that. I said it before and say it agian I only believe in acts Good & evil are just sides like all the armies who fight eachother there are good and bad people in them A person could be religious and rotten inside a athiest could be the most pure person in the world Who am I to judge
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malizai_
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 15:49 |
I would say that what lies within ones person ultimately manifests itself in his outward actions and people are judged by their actions and not their beleifs. Humans are born judgemental. It is good to judge your environment of which other people are a part. An ignorance based judgement is not really a jugdement but just plain ingorance.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 18:26 |
Hmm I allways say Ignorance is the most dangerous thing in the world
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Omar al Hashim
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 19:03 |
Judging other people will gain you or your case nothing. Trying to
understand them is so much more fertile whether you succeed in doing
this or not.
And your lack of understanding does not have to be their fault |
You cannot judge a person unless you understand them, and you should
always assume that you don't understand them - because you probably
don't, thus adding a large degree of uncertainty into your judgement.
But judging people, although it is not fashionable to admit it, is a
very important and unavoidable part of human social interaction.
It is wrong if you judge a person on a misunderstanding, or if you
judge a person based on something other than their own character, but
not judging a person (if it can ever truely be done) could get you into
a lot of trouble.
A persons religion, culture and background determines which moral code
a person would come from, and thus determines what taboos a person
would break. Thus a person who has a bit of a rebellious streak in from
one background will break different taboos than a person from another.
For example in the case of girlfriends, if they came from a traditional
arab & muslim background, and a strict family, they would probably
rebel by having a (one) girlfriend, but is still fairly conservative
with what he does with her, and stays with her for a long time (if not
forever). However if they are from a typical anglo-australian not
religious background, the same type of person could frequently change
girlfriends and have no limits to what he is willing to do with her.
Thus, two people who are in this case equal in morality will do
different things due to their different backgrounds. Although it should
be remembered that you can never know a persons background 100%, thus
adding uncertainty. If the arab is acting in the same manner as the
anglo, then, probably, the anglo is a more moral person.
Complete failure to judge a person can get you into situations
that you don't want to be in, it can result in doing things that you
don't want to do, it can get you in trouble with the law. Who you mix
with is very important. You should judge, but always know that
your judgements could be wrong (but then again, they might not).
For example if moderators did not judge forummers, based on the CoC, AE
would be swamped by people who would make AE an unenjoyable place to
visit.
How you act based upon your judgements it one of the most important
aspects, I consider it best, regardless of how bad your judgement of a
person may be, to be friendly to that person on the outside, even if
you never want to see that person again on the inside. There is no
point letting other people know what your judgement of a person is
(unless the judgement is good) - because you could be very wrong, and
who knows, maybe that person will be useful to you in the future. It
always pays to have many friends and no enemies, or at least, it is
best that your enemies don't know that they are your enemies.
Edited by Omar al Hashim - 27-Dec-2006 at 19:05
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 22:26 |
I have a unique set of friends, and we all get along "swell"! My friends are White Americans, Black Americans, Black Africans, Mexicans, one Cuban, one Turk, one Bosnian, one Albanian, Pakistanis, Indians, Afghans, Persians, and Arabs from practically every Arab country in the world.
I don't judge people based on their religion, race, or ethnic make up (although I am guilty of judging people based on their physical appearance ) but I do hold people who identify themselves as "devout" or "religious" to a higher moral standard.
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Posted: 28-Dec-2006 at 08:58 |
Right now , I live in Latvia, so naturally most of my friends are non-muslims I have been to abroad for several times..I met people from dozens of countries.. One thing I understood well is that it is all about one's self-improvement combined with the level of intellectuality. Also I tend to see all people from Adam and Eve rather than muslims and christians. Therefore, i do not hold different standarts for people coming from different religious backgrounds. But sometimes i must admit that i compare in my mind the ways christians and muslims live. Sometimes i think christians do live better because they are less collectivist. Sometime i think muslims do live better because they do put a faith in God and Divine Justice.
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Posted: 30-Dec-2006 at 21:18 |
We have very few Muslims in our area but today at the community center I live near I saw several. I was told it was a religious observation but I am not sure what it was for. I will only judge someone on a case by case basis but knowing the history and extreme beliefs of some Muslims I put my guard up at first till I get to know them. It was good to go to a Muslim country because it helped me see that many Muslims are good people and kind like people of other religions and view points.
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