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    Posted: 06-Jan-2007 at 12:16
Taliban leader's powerful vanishing act

Mullah Mohammed Omar may be hiding in Pakistan, where his elusiveness has created a cult-like devotion.

By Laura King
The Los Angeles Times
January 5, 2007

KUCHLAK, PAKISTAN Where's Mullah Omar?

It has been more than five years since the Taliban's supreme leader, a onetime village cleric, vanished into the trackless terrain outside his fallen Afghan stronghold, Kandahar. And his likeliest source of sanctuary is thought to be the belt of rugged tribal territory straddling the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where the law of no nation prevails.

In Kuchlak, a dusty desert crossroads in the southwestern Pakistani province of Baluchistan, Mullah Mohammed Omar still is referred to by the title he assumed in 1996, when he and his puritanical Islamist movement seized power in Afghanistan: Amir al-Muminin, or Commander of the Faithful.

Omar's feat of eluding a long manhunt by the Americans and their allies, even with a $10-million bounty on his head, is celebrated here as proof of his mystical powers.

"With all their sophisticated satellites that can see a single needle from high in the sky, they cannot find him," said Fazil Mohammad Baraich, a district amir, or chieftain. "It is no surprise that God almighty protects him, and this increases our faith."

Rumors of Omar sightings abound, and are repeated by locals with an air of satisfied certainty.

"I, myself, have heard on good authority that he is living in a camp" in the military enclave outside Quetta, said Mohammed Ashiq, head of a merchants association in that provincial capital.

"And," Ashiq said, leaning forward conspiratorially, "I hear that he has gotten fat. Very fat."

During the Taliban's rule, it was Omar who ordered such stringent measures as the banishment of women from schools and public life, and the destruction of one of Afghanistan's greatest cultural treasures, the giant Buddha statues at Bamian.

He outlawed simple pleasures such as music and kite flying, even as he decreed, disastrously for his country, that the Taliban would provide aid and shelter to Osama bin Laden, who likewise has remained at large.

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In tribal communities such as Kuchlak, sympathy for the toppled militia is defiantly undiminished. Many townspeople are of the same Pashtun clan as Omar, who by most accounts has never flown in an airplane and has rarely strayed from his homeland.

The cult-like devotion to Omar in the mosques and makeshift classrooms of the tribal territories helps ensure a steady supply of Taliban fighters. The militia's white flags flutter over Kuchlak's small, desolate graveyard, where the names of slain fighters are scratched into bare rock.

Little boys trudge through the town's rutted streets, bearing bags of bread donated to the town's many madrasas, or Islamic religious schools. On Kuchlak's edge, single tracks, equally suitable for wandering goats or militants on motorbikes, fade into a horizon the color of khaki, the Pashto word for dusty.

Across the border in Afghanistan, allied military commanders say they are putting increasing pressure on the Taliban leadership, most notably with a precision airstrike on Dec. 19 on a lonely road in Helmand province that killed Mullah Akhtar Mohammed Osmani, a senior deputy to Omar.

Tracking Omar "is certainly a priority, and this kind of success shows we have the potential to reach those at his level," said Maj. Dominic Whyte, a spokesman for North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces.

But if Omar has taken shelter in Pakistan, he may be out of the reach of coalition guns. An airstrike in October on a madrasa in the Pakistani tribal region of Bajur, which left dozens dead, triggered a heavy anti-American and anti-government backlash.

For that reason, a strike on a madrasa or village thought to be harboring Omar would be politically explosive unless American forces were absolutely certain that he, or a similarly high-profile target, was present.

Kuchlak, 10 miles north of Quetta, is a convenient way station for anyone looking to move surreptitiously in and out of the tribal belt.

One road out of town leads north to the Afghan border and continues to Kandahar. Another, with only a single police checkpoint in more than 100 miles, leads northeast to the tribal area of Waziristan, where Pakistani authorities have struck controversial truces with tribal elders that prevent troops from pursuing militants.

Because of Omar's longtime aversion to being photographed a policy he was said to have adopted on religious grounds few in the border hinterlands would be in a position to positively identify him. His missing right eye was his most recognizable characteristic, but allied military reports say he may have been fitted with a glass eye.

In any event, many observers believe that betrayal from within Omar's tribal milieu would be unthinkable. For one thing, it would violate the rigid Pashtun code of behavior, which places a premium on clan honor and the unquestioning protection of guests. For another, any traitor probably would pay with his life, and with the lives of his family.

Political questions

Omar's role in the Taliban leadership, whether as figurehead or active military commander, is widely debated among analysts.

Last week, before the beginning of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, Western news agencies received a statement from a purported spokesman for Omar, in which the Taliban leader boasted that his fighters would drive foreign troops out of Afghanistan.

The possibility that Omar has been sheltered in Pakistan raises thorny political questions for President Pervez Musharraf. Pakistan became a crucial U.S. ally after the Sept. 11 attacks, but the motives and loyalties of its government are under increasing Western scrutiny.

The Taliban movement, in its early days, was nurtured by Pakistan's intelligence service, and some observers doubt that Omar could have survived this long without its continued help. But others say no hard-and-fast proof has emerged that Omar is hiding on the Pakistani side of the border.

"He could be in Afghanistan, or he could be in Pakistan," said Rahimullah Yusufzai, a longtime Taliban watcher based in the Pakistani frontier city of Peshawar.

To admirers, the near-completeness of Omar's vanishing act after fleeing his gaudily appointed compound outside Kandahar in late 2001 is a triumphant rebuttal of the allies' characterizations of him as a simpleton.

"If that is the case," said Baraich, the amir, "then why has he been able to hide so well, and for so long?"


    

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Taliban walk right in, sit right down ...
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was due in Afghanistan on Thursday to meet with President Hamid Karzai, primarily to discuss a Pakistani plan to seal the notoriously porous border between the two countries by planting mines and building fences.

Karzai opposes the idea, saying that it would inconvenience civilians and would not prevent the cross-border flow of Taliban.

Karzai is dead right. It will take more than barricades to prevent the Taliban from going about their business in either country. Moulvi (cleric) Abdul Jalil serves as a shining example of how the Taliban move around right under the eyes of officials.

A life without borders

With his light-brown skin, long black beard and a white cap, it took me some seconds to recognize Jalil standing in the bustling Lea Market of Karachi. He looked just like any other Pashtun selling goods, but he is a Taliban commander.

I had met him recently in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and now, after a formal exchange of greetings, we sat in one of the hotels near the market to chat over a cup of green tea.

Lea Market, not far from downtown Karachi, is severely congested, with flashy new Japanese cars jostling for space with pedestrians and camel-drawn carts. People of all backgrounds work here, from Gujaratis (originally from Indian Gujarat 200 years back) to Pashtuns, operating diverse businesses ranging from selling fruit on pushcarts to peddling the latest electronic gadgetry.

It is common knowledge that the narrow streets around Lea Market provide a safe haven for people wanted by the government, from Baloch insurgents to members of outlawed sectarian organizations. Thus such outfits as the Intelligence Bureau and the Police Intelligence Department maintain a strong proxy network in the area.

Nevertheless, Jalil seemed quite content to be seen in public, and to talk with me. The reason is simply that Jalil, a native of Kandahar, does not have a price on his head and he has no record to make the security agencies suspicious. In his appearance, language and mannerisms, he is much like the more than 1.5 million other Pashtuns living in Karachi.

Yet appearances could not be more deceptive as Jalil is one of the main cogs in the Taliban-led insurgency in the Punjwai district of Kandahar.

When I met him in November in the city of Kandahar, he came across as well balanced and completely at home in his environment. Then, he was roaming the markets, buying commodities as part of his responsibilities as a logistics official for the Taliban. In addition, Jalil coordinates with pro-Taliban elements in the Afghan establishment, and he happens to be an expert in making improvised weapons, especially by using unexploded US bombs.

Jalil explained that he did not even have to cross the border illegally between Afghanistan and Pakistan to reach Karachi; he simply crossed at the regular Chaman border post, passing through all checkpoints like Pashtuns from both sides of the Durand Line that separates the countries. He can do this because he is not yet a marked man.

Meeting Jalil reminded me of the many Pashtun Taliban commanders I have met over the years who on the face of it seems ordinary folk, sons of the soil, moving freely around in such places as Spin Boldek, Chaman, Kandahar and Karachi.

Mending - and building - fences

Karzai, even before meeting with Aziz, expressed his skepticism over building fences along the 2,430-kilometer border.

He should know, as he took refuge in Quetta in Pakistan's Balochistan province during Taliban rule in Afghanistan to organize anti-Taliban activities. After the assassination of Karzai's father - most likely by the Taliban - in Quetta in 1999, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was after Karzai for conspiring against the Taliban government in Kabul. Karzai moved to Karachi, where he stayed in the Defense Housing Authority at his cousin's residence. The ISI was unable to find him.

Karzai comes from the distinguished Popalzai tribe of Pashtuns in Kandahar province. His father was hereditary khan (chief) of the Popalzai, a title Karzai assumed.

Members of his family still live in Quetta and Karachi, and he must be fully aware how tribal societies on both sides of the divide treat the border as non-existent.

Western decision-makers tend to view the insurgency in Afghanistan as the handiwork of underground militias that carry out hit-and-run cross-border operations. This might have been true two years ago, but it is certainly not the case now.

The insurgency, mostly as a result of last spring's offensive, is growing into a full tribal-supported mass movement. Until a new political formula is worked out to ensure the representation of all tribes at all levels, according to the stature of each tribe, no mines, fences, crackdowns or military operations will prevent the insurgency from spreading.

Nor will such measures prevent the likes of Moulvi Abdul Jalil from shuttling between Kandahar and Karachi.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com.

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Malizai spot on as usual, good points Sparten. I think the whole mining exercise has a couple of extra benefits for Pakistan, but so be it, Karzai brought it on himself.
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Islamabad already is run by the "Taliban". As for Karachi, no one has ever been able to run it, so good luck to the Talibs.
Secondly, Pakistan lacks many of the main prequisits for Talibans, you know little things like a society ruined by 30 years of war etc, etc.
 
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Islamabad already is run by the "Taliban". As for Karachi, no one has ever been able to run it, so good luck to the Talibs.

Secondly, Pakistan lacks many of the main prequisits for Talibans, you know little things like a society ruined by 30 years of war etc, etc.
 
Finally, ISI works for Pakistan's interests. Afghanan can say whatever he like, but nations always see to their interests, (as Afghanistan did many times under Zahir Shah), and not to morality. The present situation is finally getting back to something like desirable. The Talibs now more or less control South Afghanistan. The Wesetern Border may well be settling down. We can now mine the border and generally tell Kabul to take a hike. We can now get down to more important matters, like invading teaching Lahoris a lesson.
 
God, Musharraf has played them all very well. Whenever he says 80,000 troops I have to laugh. The fact that they are from XI and XII Corps, who are the reserve corps and thus always are on the Wesetrn Border. Some deployment.
 
 
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Taliban, the best solution? Was that a joke? And what is wrong with Tajiks? I thought Afghanistan was also their country?


Unfortuantely it's not a joke. Pakistan has always had an agenda to split Afghanistan along ethnic lines, they did so during the Soviet War when the ISI gave more arms and money to the Pashtun commanders and virtually nothing to the Tajik commanders. The Northern Alliance comprised mostly of Tajiks, was Pro-India and anti-Pakistan.

Furthermore, Pakistan funded militarily, ideologically, logistically, and monetarily the Taliban since it's inception. After 9/11 they changed colors like a chameleon and officially stopped supporting them. When they realized that the Taliban now turned on them and started attacking Pakistan. Many Pashtun and Islamic Fundamentalist parties starting denounce Musharraf. The response by Pakistan was assassination of prominent Taliban commander, Nek Muhammad with help from the US. The Pakistani army also bombed a few madrassas and killed scores of civilians and students. There are still many elements within the Taliban who do not trust Pakistan.

The ISI knew they screwed up again and struck another 'ceasefire' deal with the Pakistani Taliban that they would support them in Afghanistan so long as they dont attack Pakistan. Sayed Salim Shahzad reported the exact happenning in Asia Times a few months ago.

That official 'cease-fire' was a joke in the making and basically gave the Pakistani Taliban free-range in Afghanistan and suicide car bombs, attacks on schools & teachers, roads, and UN funded hospitals increased substantially in the south of the country and the capital Kabul.

Everybody and their grandma knows that Pakistan still supports the Taliban.
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From Islamabad's POV, Taliban is the best solution to the whole Afghan mess. They are, 1) not communist, 2) Not Tajik, 3) Not Pakthun nationalists.
 
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Taliban, the best solution? Was that a joke? And what is wrong with Tajiks? I thought Afghanistan was also their country?
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There is nothing wrong with being Tajik, again Pakistan's aim is to create bigger divides along ethnic lines and that is not beneficial to anyone.

Pakistan needs to worry about their own country and their own problems. If Pakistan likes the Taliban so much, they should let them take over their nation and see how their people in Islamabad and Karachi like being under Taliban rule.
    

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From Islamabad's POV, Taliban is the best solution to the whole Afghan mess. They are, 1) not communist, 2) Not Tajik, 3) Not Pakthun nationalists.

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Its because you have no answer.

The fact of the matter is Pakistan needs to draw the line on their support for the Taliban. If they continue to beat around the bush, this problem will end up resolving itself in a way not beneficial to anyone.


    

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1. Your post made absolutely no sense except your reiteration of the last question. The answer is not the time but how peace unfolds in Afghanistan. Tribes will always war b/w themselves, but infrastructure was being built from the time of Abdur Rahman Khan. The Kabul-Kandahar road is a target of attack almost everyday. THe roads leading from Herat to Kandahar also are under attack. The local hospitals are abandoned because the Taliban threatened the doctors for treating anyone from the government. Teachers male and female are murdered and their schools burned down constantly.

2. How are they going to produce infrastructure when the Taliban are crossing over killing teachers, and bombing reconstruction teams? Again, you can plug the anthole form the Afghanistan side with 500,000 troops, but they will just make another hole somewhere else. To tackle this problem you have to hit the source, and the sources for money, training, and indoctrination is in Pakistan.    BTW, they are not going to fence the entire border, only certain regions that are already fenced and monitored by the same corrupt military that allow the Taliban to freely cross w/o interference.
    
    
 
If u r going to limit your view to the above then Good luck. Reiteration is an ominous sign for one to limit his participation. So i guess this is my last post in this thread. Peace.
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1. Your post made absolutely no sense except your reiteration of the last question. The answer is not the time but how peace unfolds in Afghanistan. Tribes will always war b/w themselves, but infrastructure was being built from the time of Abdur Rahman Khan. The Kabul-Kandahar road is a target of attack almost everyday. THe roads leading from Herat to Kandahar also are under attack. The local hospitals are abandoned because the Taliban threatened the doctors for treating anyone from the government. Teachers male and female are murdered and their schools burned down constantly.

2. How are they going to produce infrastructure when the Taliban are crossing over killing teachers, and bombing reconstruction teams? Again, you can plug the anthole form the Afghanistan side with 500,000 troops, but they will just make another hole somewhere else. To tackle this problem you have to hit the source, and the sources for money, training, and indoctrination is in Pakistan.    BTW, they are not going to fence the entire border, only certain regions that are already fenced and monitored by the same corrupt military that allow the Taliban to freely cross w/o interference.
    
    

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Well how are they going to bring development and infrastructure when the roads, schools, and hospitals are being blown up by Taliban crossing the border from Pakistan?

The first step is what the Crisis group already outlined:

"a) disarming militants, shutting down terrorist training camps and ending the flow of money and weapons to and recruitment and training by Taliban and other foreign or local militants on Pakistani territory;"

Something Pakistan has intentionally failed to do in the past. There are already planning to mine parts of the border, (which is already fenced and monitored) in certain parts), again a silly attempt without attacking the main issue -> Terrorists training camps and fundamentalist madrassas all over the frontier led and sympathized by the Fundamaentalist Islamic parties within Pakistan. Pakistan's plan of mining the border is like putting rocks into an ant colony -> simple barriers easily traversed.

Even worse, is that corruption is rampant so most likely the Taliban will know which parts are mined because of their links with the military in the region. We already know that it will not effect the drug smugglers because they already have the border police on their payroll, so in actuality, it will agitate Pashtun tribes on the border who cross regularly for family gatherings, and Pashtun nomads who cross regularly for trade with villages, and/or water/grazing rights.
    
 
LOL, Simple!, increase ur security presence at least five fold. If you use air transport for your own security it is a bit rich to start on the build to blow project. Somebody is wearing their undies over their trousers. Then match that expenditure with infrastructure development to get an economy up and running.
 
Look at any country that is not a banana republic and you will notice that in threat scenarios it fences and mines it's border. Either these taliban have wings or the rest of the world is stupid. I have already told you before that it will do more than agitation, but you have to die to go to heaven, you cant have it both ways. I have also mentioned that it also involves the tribals being dragged by their forelocks into the modern world of taxes and local govt. What that actually means is that expanding the theater of quagmire.
 
Do you remember i once asked you for the longest period of peace in Afghan history. I think it is time to rethink y is Afghan society so prone to violence.
 
BTW, what roads and hospitals were being built.
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Well how are they going to bring development and infrastructure when the roads, schools, and hospitals are being blown up by Taliban crossing the border from Pakistan?

The first step is what the Crisis group already outlined:

"a) disarming militants, shutting down terrorist training camps and ending the flow of money and weapons to and recruitment and training by Taliban and other foreign or local militants on Pakistani territory;"

Something Pakistan has intentionally failed to do in the past. There are already planning to mine parts of the border, (which is already fenced and monitored) in certain parts), again a silly attempt without attacking the main issue -> Terrorists training camps and fundamentalist madrassas all over the frontier led and sympathized by the Fundamaentalist Islamic parties within Pakistan. Pakistan's plan of mining the border is like putting rocks into an ant colony -> simple barriers easily traversed.

Even worse, is that corruption is rampant so most likely the Taliban will know which parts are mined because of their links with the military in the region. We already know that it will not effect the drug smugglers because they already have the border police on their payroll, so in actuality, it will agitate Pashtun tribes on the border who cross regularly for family gatherings, and Pashtun nomads who cross regularly for trade with villages, and/or water/grazing rights.
    

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"To acces the executive summary in Frech, please click here."
 
In Frech.LOL
 
To be honest there is nothing ground breaking here, all they are saying is
"The only sustainable way of dealing with the challenges of militancy, governance and extremism in FATA is through the rule of law and an extension of civil and political rights. Instead, the government has reinforced administrative and legal structures that undermine the state and spur anarchy." 
 
..get rid of this deeply traditional society who's part of culture it is to give refuge to whoever asks for it. Bring it into the 21st century and bring these lands under your military and judicial control. Substitute local representation with governmental control structures. IT IS A LOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
 
The tribals are very particular about the kind of infrastructure they want, because thay are all too well aware of the trappings that go along with it.  What they want is hospitals and electrcity and gas and not neccesarily military grade roads.LOL 
 
My recommendations to the CRISIS group would be to ask the coalition to match the military expenditure with Infrastructure and development expenditure in Afghanistan. The problem will be controlled in no less than two years, If not then dream on. The half baked attempt to pacify the country with some thirty thousand troops is not going to achieve anything and only prolong the suffering of all those involved, including their own.
 
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Well corruption has always been rampant. The problem is and was with the local economy in the border regions which comprises mostly of drug and black market smuggling, along with Taliban recruitment.

The International Crisis Group wrote a nice piece on finding solutions to the problem:

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See if you can spot any problems with this kind of border control.

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Without 'severe' border controls this situation can not be avoided. Their are close to 4.5 million afghan origin pashtuns in Pakistan and are frequently involved in Afghanistan. The cease-fire can not be the source for deducing the increase in number of attacks(If indeed that is the case).
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Yeah, Syed S. Shahzad has been following the Talibs for quite some time.  He reported that the Talibs were hiding in Pakistan and that the supposed last 'peace' between the tribals and the military is and was a joke.  In fact since the last 'cease-fire' attacks in Afghanistan have increased ten fold.
 
 
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