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Temujin 
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 Topic: the seven Parthian clansPosted: 17-Aug-2004 at 21:09 |
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I read about them, ut only know 2 of them, the Surena clan and the Karen clan, the only clan that supported the Sassanids...what were the names of the other 5?
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Lannes
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 21:16 |
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Let's hope I remembered the spellings correctly Parni, Suren, Karen, Dahae, Sohae, Mihran, and the Aspahapet. Edited by Lannes |
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τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι;
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Temujin
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 21:26 |
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thx, I actually knew about the Parni and Dahae, I just didn't knew they belonged to the 7 clans.. |
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Dari
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 00:52 |
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The sexy seven they are!
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 14:21 |
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Parni (Khorasan, NE Iran), they established the Parthian Empire, Suren (Sistan, SE Iran), the greatest Parthian General Surena was from this clan, Karen (Gilan, N Iran), after fall of Sassanid Empire, they could rule in Gilan about 270 years, their last king was Maziar, Dahae (NE Iran & S Turkmenistan), it means "the enemy tribe", Sohae, they were probably in modern Turkmenistan, Mihran (Fars, S Iran), the famous Sassanid general Bahram Chubin was head of this clan, Aspahapet, (Goragan & Mazandaran, N Iran), they ruled about one thousand years in this region, Padospanids and Bavandids were from this clan.
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Aryan
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Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 19:59 |
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Are there still people in Iran who are related to the Parthians?
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Dari
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Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 21:59 |
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Yes.
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 02:33 |
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I'm partly Parthian!
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 03:35 |
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My father was born in a small town in north of Semanan Province called "Shahmirzad". http://www.netiran.com/?fn=artd(896)
Shahmirzad is in the east of the famous city of Hecatompylos, by about 200 BC Hecatompylos was the Parthian capital and is mentioned as such by Pliny, Strabo, and Ptolemy. Iranian Languages: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Iranian-languages As you see Semnani and Sangesari (Sangesar and Shahmirzad are two neighbour towns) have been considered as Parthian languages but Shahmirzadi as a Gilaki language but there are also many Parthian words in Shahmirzadi language too. Some Shahmirzadi words in Persian language: (Source = Dictionary of Dehkhoda & Dictionary of Moin) |
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Aryan
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Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 12:58 |
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In ancient Persia, did the Parthians, Persians and Medians look different?
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Dari
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Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 22:24 |
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They were not a Germanic people. Few in rare cases of Iranian populations, were blue or green eyed with blonde hair.
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Aryan
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Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 20:39 |
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No, that's not quite what I meant. And that was my question: Persians, Medians and Parthians all three being Iranian, did they look different from eachother or the same in those ancient times? Edited by Aryan |
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Dari
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Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 22:05 |
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They all looked extremly similar to one and another. But Persians, were slightly darker (still easily caucasian and white, but more tanned). The Medes had lighter skin, and lighter hair. The Gilanis were the easliest the lightest and so forth.
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shayan
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Posted: 05-May-2006 at 08:57 |
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Im Shirazi so im or Mihrani or Persian?
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Maziar
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Posted: 06-May-2006 at 00:05 |
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I am Maziar the last king of the Karen clan
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shayan
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Posted: 06-May-2006 at 06:14 |
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At the end of the day we are all Iranian
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vespasian
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 09:18 |
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So, if you don't mind my asking, were these clans the "nobility" of the Parthian empire? Or were they the ethnic divisions of the empire? Where can I find out more about them? Thanks.
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Is someone going to tell Triple H that someone beat him to the title "King of Kings"?
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Zagros
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 09:59 |
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Tribal confederation to begin with most probably, just like the Persians (who funnily enough also consisted of seven core tribes). These tribes will have become the nobility of their respective dominions.
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Shiroyeh
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Posted: 12-May-2006 at 14:09 |
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Interesting... my paternal great grandfather was from Shahmirzad and my maternal family origionate from Sangesar... They all migrated to Mazandaran. I always wanted to know more about them 
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' How shall a man escape from that which is written; How shall he flee from his destiny? ' Ferdowsi
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 03:21 |
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All these information are interesting and fascinating to read. However, there is not a nation that is any longer pure. They are inter-racial/ethnic marriages that has brought diversity to the world. The Kurds, Turks, Gilakis, Fars, etc. as well French, British, German, etc.
The most nations dream to recapture the glories of the past. This form of nationalism could be counterproductive to being a progressive society. It is often creates an extremism, nationalism as a result division among the members of the nation.
To look at the world from the broader spectrum as a family with no divisions of cultures could be much more fascinating and more creative thinking. This might be too optimistic at this point in the human history. However, we need to focus on the contemporary history of any nation in order to progress.
Therefore, one needs to look at the Iran an define whether or not they identify with its contemporary culture. I personally don't consider Iranians who are out of Iran in the west as true Iranians. Their parents might have been yet at this moment they are not.
True Germans live in Germany, true Italians live in Italy and true Iranians live in Iran. They are the Iranians, Germans, Italians of the 2006.
Where people live and contribute to society is where they belong to.
The nationalism was created by man kind: a) To protect one's territory. b) To keep the market within the community thus generating revenue. Just think about it: If I made you believe that the next door's grocery store is very unclean you no longer would shop from them. I have already achieved a small form of economic nationalism. With just an enough amount of paranoia generated from the nationalism non-democratic regimes can sustain their existance. The people who are motivated by nationalism don't often survive outside their communities. They are all like the fish out of water.
I accidentally came across this forum and noticed all these chats about the Sirus the great, etc. It almost reminded me of my 80 years old uncle speaking about Iran some 20 years ago holding a glass of red wine in his hand when people outside Tehran didn't even have the basic necessities of life.
The history and anthropology are interesting sentimental classic subjects to have a PhD in. However, these subjects would not be able to define what Iran and Iranians are in 2006. I am not an Iranian since I no longer live there. I speak Farsi and cook Iranian food and know poetries in Farsi but that is not going to make me feel the same way as the people in Iran do. Let us be clear on this one.
wtn
p.s.I am not going to be on this forum, therefore, the discussion would be among you people. |
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