some questions about greece

"Hellinas", next time you will insult anyone else in such vulgar terms (in Greek or other language) you will be banned instantly. Consider this as your first and final warning!

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Christscrusader
>>So more with the Nordic theory, so basically your sayin it was wrong?<<

Not sure about what you exactly mean by "So more with the Nordic theory" but yes all genetic research, linguistic, literature, artistic evidence and archeologic finds do prove the continuous population of these lands by the same racial type of people and by doing so actually disprove both Nordic and IE theories.

>> i did not nor even meant to say that Ancient Hellens accepted everyone<<>>

Let me remind you exactly what you�ve said:

Christscrusader

>>Look, I really dont feel like reading everything here, but what is your main source of strife? What is a Hellen and what isn't? What is a Neo hellen? What is the main argument here?<<>>

This originally was a topic that contained questions about ancient Hellas as I�m sure you�ve seen. But it seems that some people can�t stand being corrected on something they obviously have NO KNOWLEDGE on. (See ancient Hellinic language and texts)

 So they turn a decent conversation, into alleged insults. I say alleged, because they are once again corrected that the term �nationalist �, isn�t any kind of insult but in fact a virtue that in fact, many would be proud to and actually strive to obtain.

So in lack of any obvious arguments on the topic of Hellines in Italy, Thrace and Illyria. Turn once again this conversation around and now try to prove that anyone that speaks Hellinic or has knowledge of Hellinic customs must be recognized as Hellinic. But never did clear if the Hellines considered the population of all their colonies as Hellines. Nor did he give examples of conquered lands by Alexander being populated by "Hellines" of a foreign race or if they were ever considered Hellines. Conveniently forgot about �PAS MH ELLHN BARBAROS�

Spartakus

Even if I am to accept your version of what a Hellin is, please tell me where do you get off considering yourself a Hellin?

You obviously have NO KNOWLEDGE of the Hellinic language, you intentionally post FORGED TEXTS to suit your perverse argument and yet, demand to be recognized as a Hellin? You have none of the qualities demanded to be called a Hellin even in your version of the term.

Sorry my friend but it doesn�t work that way.

>>.So Hellens like you,me,Yiannis,"Hellinas",are Neo or Modern Hellens.If we lived in Ancient Hellas we would be called Ancient Hellens.Although "Hellinas" has a long way to become a full Hellen. <<>>

Neo-Hellinas:

As I said, but you obviously have a reading disability also. Neo-Hellinas is a characterization used for all those that have helped the annihilation and extinction of every trace of mental and cultural heritage. What I mean is the elimination of every ideal and virtue embodied, protected with blood and offered to the world by the Hellinic race through history.

The very fact that you INTENTIONALLY post FORGED TEXTS to prove that anyone can be considered a Hellin is exactly what the term neo-Hellinas  stands for.

I can�t honestly speak about Christscrusader even though from his previous arguments in this thread I doubt that he would be considered a Neo-Hellinas. Yiannis, even though made me sceptical at first, after seeing his great site, also cleared that neither he may be considered a Neo-Hellinas.

But you, as previously said are the lowest of the low, the scum of earth, an illiterate NOTHING that is a disgrace to anything Hellinic. I bet you also consider Zena as a part of Hellinic mythology!!!>>

 One thing is sure, if you lived in ancient Hellas little wanna-be Hellin, you�d be thrown over �Kaiadas� in Sparta, �ostracized� in Athens and probably killed in Macedonia and Thessaly. I�m sure Nemesis would pay you a visit for your blasphemy.>>

You continue to mention �become a Hellin� but never once gave an example of anyone of non-Hellinic blood that was or is considered a Hellin either in ancient or modern Hellas.

If anyone is or could be concidered a Hellin please enlight us oh great one, why would we find these reactions in Athens?

Athenians for a time, profoundly feared extending privileges of citizenship. To avert this disaster they passed the Periclean Citizenship Law (451/450 B.C.) reserving the right of legitmacy ONLY!!! to children born of two Athenian citizens.

We also know that, Pericles introduced a new citizenship law which prevented the son of an Athenian father and a non-Athenian mother becoming a full citizen.

So why do you insist that anyone was accepted? Is this topic of some personal interest to you, are you some kind of non-Hellin (see Albo, Slav, Russian) that dreams of becoming a Hellin?

People like you present whatever it suits them to serve their sneaky purposes.I am still impressed that you do not know the word neo.You are the one who bases his searches into vocabularies,why you follow the masses in this one?��� ������� ��� �����������.You want arguments?Bring them with signature,i think i've explained you why, AND without any nationalistic comments on it to give SOME objectivity in your replies.Why can't you do that?It's so difficult to be a nationalist and objective at the same time, i know,but at least try!It's not so hard!

From you're whole post I'll just comment on one thing.

>>Concerning,the Slavic tactic:What did you expect to post the whole text?<<

There is a big difference here. You are posting only one sentence of a text in order to prove your twisted  point by changing the meaning of the text. This is EXACTLY what NEO-HELLINAS MEANS RE AXRISTE!!!.

You are exactly what all that respect theirselves and their history detest. You my friend are the lowest of the low, the scum of the earth, an illeterate nothing that claims he is a Hellin due to a drunken mistake someone made. You have NO KNOWLEDGE of Hellinic history, language and customs, just a puppet that is being used against everything the word Hellas stands for.

I bet there are many that damn the day Leonidas and his 300 stood up to the Persians,  to save this land for the likes of you.

You still insist on this stupid argument. As I said read the original post by azimuth that started this thread on 23 December 2004 at 12:53pm. All his questions are about ancient Hellas not modern.

>>In your first answer you've concluded that<<

I f I'm not mistaken you were the one that mentioned Slavs selecting quotes, yet you Oh great one, do exactly the same right now. Where did this part of the text go?

"So a Helline is he who shares our intelligence or our common race."

Is it such a problem that you have NO KNOWLEDGE of your history? Take advantage of my posts and learn something!!!

>>Even an African can become as "original" as you too if he participates in the Hellenic educational system.<<

I am begining to doubt you are even part of the Hellinic population. Where even today can we find let's say Albos as an example having the same political rights the Hellines do? If they are as you say part of Hellas and concidered Hellines shouldn't they be allowed to vote instead of only work our fields?  So, as anyone can see NO political rights simply means that they are not accepted as part of the Hellinic society.

>>You are an Neo-Hellin too and how much ancient Hellenic or history you know you'll always be a neo-Hellin!<<

You have absolutely NO knowledge of who you're talking to but beside that my posts prove exactly the opposite. I my friend thanks to the knowledge you obviously don't have am under NO circumstance able to be concidered a NEO-HELLIN. The term doesn't as you like to believe, mean what the words combined to develop it simply show but has a more complex meaning posted before.

>>Bring me any dictionary you want.The true meaning of the word "barbaroi" is what i've said foreign to the Hellenic civilization.<<

You must know the saying "an h malakia htan ergoxeiro, eixes kanei thn proika sou" to all that don't understand Hellinic " if your "stupidity" was an embroidery you would have made your dowry". Give me one text, one scholar, hell I'd accept anything except your word on it. Why should I? You have NO KNOWLEDGE of the ancient Hellinic lang. as proven before.

>>As i've said in my previous answer bring me proofs with signature and then i'll comment on them.<<

Bringing any kind of signed work doesn't mean it is aslo accurate. I think I've posted this example in another topic totaly irrelevent to this one but I think it might help you understand why not all signed articles are to be concidered as accurate.

At the 6th International Symposium on Ancient Macedonia in Thessaloniki, Greece, concluded that King Philip II of Macedonia was bisexual.

Now the interesting part:
During this "symposium" these alleged historians were comfronted by the well known (in Hellas that is) Hellin researcher Kyriakos Delopoulos.
What he managed to uncover is very interesting.

The two main speakers were Kate Modersen and Mandian (spelling), both well respected historians and professors at New England University.
He argued with them on the topic, his arguments were based on the original texts, by original I mean in ancient Hellinic, not translated.
These wanna-be historians couldn't read a word in ancient Hellinic and of course had no idea on how to translate the text.
It was all over the Hellinic news how they were ridiculed and left, long before it even ended.
So, as anyone can see a signature actually means nothing if you have the knowledge to confront their statements.

>>The problem here is your surpassed ideology which accidentally is the same ideology of the Greek(not Hellenic) fascists and nationalists(���������� ��� ��� ��������)<<

Your ignorance is obviously clogging your mind. You've taken Yiannis comment about a different post that has no connection what so ever to this topic and continue calling me a fascist. Were can you see anything fascist in my posts (I'd enjoy hearing from other readers also). As I said before insults are the weapon of the IGNORANT and those that LACK KNOWLEDGE. Confront my posts with actual facts, post some of those signed articles, you so badly need and I'll send them exactly where they belong, IN A DUMPSTER. Don't waste my time and the site's valuable space with your petty comments on my character. Just argue on the topic and what I've posted.

Are you able to argue on the topic in question or are we to continue this insult BS?

OK. According to you oh, great one, it is official,  I�m a fascist.

Can you give answers and stop the name calling?

It is a fact that insults are the tactic of all those that lack knowledge to give adequate answers.

>>ALL the barbaroi can become Hellens.<<

According to you, all the occupied territories and people by the Hellines became Hellines. Then why would Alexander for example order his men to marry Persian women, if not to make sure that there would be true Hellines descendants?

Are the Phrygians, Skythians, Indians, Egyptians����.. included in your idea of Hellas, how about the Hellinic colonies in France and Spain, was the local population also Hellinic?

Any dictionary will prove that the term �barbaroi� used to mean 'uncouth', 'rude', and even 'brutal'. It described foreign people, their behaviour, their language and even their gods were called barbarian.

>>they are dates of the struggle of the so called by your people unworthy neo-Hellens to preserve what is called Hellas.<<

Once again you surprise me. I never knew that this amount of stupidity could be found in forums. As I said the topic is about a time at least 2000yrs before the dates you mention.>>

As for the term neo-Hellines, who ever told you that it has anything to do with 1821, 1912���.?

You can�t possibly live anywhere in Hellas and not know that this term is used to describe all of you illiterate nothings that are only connected to the greatness of Hellas only because of a drunken mistake.

These neo-hellines are the people that look up a translation for their mother tongue (in your case bad translations), worship anything foreign, use foreign words instead of Hellinic, prefer foreign customs to their own, ����..

 In short all those that have helped the annihilation and extinction of every trace of mental and cultural heritage. What I mean is the elimination of every ideal and virtue embodied, protected with blood and offered to the world by the Hellinic race through history.>>

I missed your comments on the Thracians, aborigines of Italy and Illyrians.

I also noticed you continue to use your mistranslated verion of the Panegyricus of Isocrates. Here is what he said in 4.23: