Popes, Patriarchs, Turks and Religious Repression

Bg Turk, Not well known but there's a Turkish Orthodox church for Turkish orthodoxs, which has been established by a Turkist Greek -Yes, looks perfectly weird- who was excommunicated by the Patriarchate, and which has been in conflict with the Patriarchate since 1920's. For every attitude of the Patriarchate there's a deep political reason, and the language issue is one of them. 

greek minority speak istanbul turkish most probably better than majority of Turks, and their webpage is not our job. We have not a law that say, webpagez should be Turkish. Thanks god.

this turkish orthodox church is the most bizare thing ive ever heard off in a long time, its like a religoius no mans land of sorts.

to add another dimension to the debate, a greek priest told me the russians are trying to dominate the church on a whole and the Euc patriacharchy has been blocking this. Has it occured to anyone that maybe its safer to have a local (albiet greek) position hold the leadership closer to turkey than let the church be run by an outside much more powerful force that can do more harm?

(the russians are more hardline orthodox than greeks BTW)

Originally posted by bg_turk Regarding the language issue, I think it is important for the Patriarchate to start using Turkish in order to facitiliate the dialogue between it and the rest of Turkish society - it would be an important step to overcome the distrust and animosity.

Yes, this is a good reason why the Patriarcate should add a Turkish version on their website. [Comments like "it should use Turkish as the official language because it is a  Turkish institution" or "if they don't use turkish this means that they totally ignore Orthodox Turks" are nonsense.] If they use turkish, maybe some Turks will take the time to learn a few things about the Patriarch and the Patriarchate and, who knows, maybe they will start fearing him less and respect him a bit more.
And btw the Patriarch speaks Turkish fluently.

Originally posted by Mortaza I should also add, It is not our job to interfere orthodox conflicts.I  remember an event, Putin said,Our relation with turkey become worse, If she accept ecumenism.

True, the Russians would like to see their Patriarch become the Ecumenical Patriarch, so Turkish policy favors them.

Originally posted by Mortaza I also heard, there are conflicts between greece and istanbul church too..

Yes, our megalomaniac (and I could use more adjectives here..) Archibishop found the Patriarch weak and tried to take advantage of it... He likes to play with fire sometimes lol

Originally posted by Leonidas to add another dimension to the debate, a greek priest told me the russians are trying to dominate the church on a whole and the Euc patriacharchy has been blocking this. Has it occured to anyone that maybe its safer to have a local (albiet greek) position hold the leadership closer to turkey than let the church be run by an outside much more powerful force that can do more harm?

The Russians may manage to dominate most of the Church, but they are not in a position to dominate the old Patriarchates. Therefore, if this happens it will be for the benefit of Turkey, because it will further weaken the Constantinople Patriarchate.

Yes Gagauz's are Ortodox Turks but i think they talking about Karamani's.

Most of Ortodox Turks gone to Greece and most of Muslim Greeks(like my grandmam) come to Turkey after 20's. But i know that there is a Turkish Ortodox church in Karak�y(İstanbul)

Originally posted by Akolouthos Well said, that! Those Thracian sees are clearly under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch. By the way, did they ever settle that dispute? I'm not fully up on current events in the European Church.   -Akolouthos

Well, it's not only the Thracian sees, but also the ones in Macedonia and Epirus (they are called "New Lands"). They are under the juristiction of the Patriarchate and the administration of the Church of Greece. The problem arose when 3 Metropolites had to be elected there and the Greek Church tried to completely bypass the Patriarchate. Anyway, common sense prevailed at the end and the dispute was settled.

PS: Do you understand Greek Akolouthos? If yes, I can send you some links about the issue if you want.

So why are you angry us? we are not doing something, Orthodox churchs(Russian, Greece) are not doing.(I am not sure If we have such sentence in english.)

I am talking about attacking political power of Patriarch.

majority of them is at greece. They helped Turkish independence war, but this doesnot help them much.

Now, They dont have to much people at Turkey. They dont become majority at any city, village or town. Most of them is newly convert.