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    Posted: 25-Nov-2006 at 22:49
Many people on the internet seem to be displaying pictures of Stalin an other communist related depictions.

Usually the people who have these pictures are people all for equality etc etc, yet Stalin an his friends wiped out 10s of millions an kept Eastern Europe poor...

On another forum i was reading about Russian Skinheads. People were ridiculing them about supporting an ideology that was anti-slav yet at the same time representing Stalin an communism.

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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 03:21
stalin isnt a real role model for communism.

 Its hard to find a communist leader that is. The revolutions occured in agricultural/totalitarian societies, which marx wasnt expecting, and these regimes took on the many of the bad habits of the prevoius leaders.

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  Quote Antioxos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 04:11

Here is the day that Khrushchev denounced Stalin."Comunism" against "comunism" complicated things!!!

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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 09:43
Its hard to find a communist leader that is.
 
As I understand it in Russia Lenin is looked upon quite fondly. Then again he never ruled long enough for anything negative to happen to him.
 
How does a communist supporter differ from a Fascist supporter
 
Their the same, its just communists won WWII and the Fascists lost thus making communists the "good guys" and fascists the "bad guys".
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  Quote SearchAndDestroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 10:31
Fascism is about a Military government that strongly supports the idea of nationalism from what I understand.
Communism is supposed to have no government and the working class is supposed to be in charge. It also supports the idea of equality for everyone. And no true communist state has come about yet. I'm not a expert of either, but thats the idea I got from doing alittle studieing on the subjects.
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  Quote Lmprs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 12:08
Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

Communism is supposed to have no government and the working class is supposed to be in charge.

According to Marx, 'state' is just a tool for the ruling class to oppress the lower classes.

In a communist system; there are no classes and no state.

I believe you are talking about 'proletarian dictatorship'.

It's just a short period to destroy capitalism in a revolutionary method, nothing more.

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  Quote bg_turk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 12:24
Communism is no better than fascism - both are evil ideologies that have destroyed peoples and nations. 
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  Quote Krum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2006 at 14:38
Originally posted by bg_turk

Communism is no better than fascism - both are evil ideologies that have destroyed peoples and nations.


You are wrong Bg Turk.May be fascism is an evil ideology,but not and the communism.When communism was created by Marx and Engel it was a some kind of social reaction.And many people supported it because they saw in it a hope for a better world and for a better future.But that was only utopic view.In its original form communism seemed a revolutional and justified ideology in 19th and in the beginnig of 20th century.It is another problem that it was changed much during the Stalin's rule.But i think you cannot compare these two ideologies and to call communism an evil.
    
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  Quote Eondt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 03:43
I while ago I heard a quote which I thought was quite amusing:
"If you're not a socialist by the time you're 18, you have no heart. If you're still a socialist by the time you're 28, you have no brain"Big smile
 
Krum, while I agree with you in principle, I think its important to realise that you're venturing into the whole relative realm of what is "good" and "evil". Remember that at the start og the 20th century, alot of people considered fascism an appropriate solution to the problems faced by their nations and didn't consider it evil. Fascism (Nationalism) and communism both enjoyed wide support in Europe at the start of the 20th century.
 
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I've been told that communism and fascism are the two main types of totalitarianism.
 
Totalitarianism = the government (or "the people" or "the nation" or "the revolutionary vanguard" etc.) controls (or tries to control) all aspects of human life.
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  Quote Krum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 09:54
What i am trying to say is that in the beginning the face of communism was different.It never said to kill other ethnic groups,to treat different races in a different way and etc.But i agree that the ideology of communism was a liitle bit utopic.It is not possible and it will never be possible all people to be equal.And the people to run a country itself.On the other hand the most of evil acts of communism was not caused by the ideology but by the different leaders.For example Stalin.In fact most of these things(for examle the problem with turks in Bulgaria)were done because the authority wanted to get attention on particular problem to hide the real problems in the state,the gradual collapse of the system.
The real disadvantage of communism is exactly the human rights.And communists really tried to control all aspects of human life.But this is not evil.It is the same to call Feodalism an evil system.That means that every ruler and nobles in medieval were evil.Communsim and the facsims were social experiments that failed and proved that many of their ideas are wrong although others were really revolutional.
But there is a huge difference between communism and fascism.Communsim was formed as an ideology many years,probably half a century.And it was an answer of the whole western system.Facsism was created very fast,just for a few years.And with the beginning it expressed violence and hate.There many reasons but the main were poverty and nationalism.Fascism was based on the hate against other nations and other races(Hitler ideology).
    

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 11:14
Well, supporters of communism are completelly stupid as well as communism itself. The whole idea is unrealistic and belongs to the same category as Utopia of sir Thomas More. One find this type of intelectual fantasies attractive but trying to bring them into life is and must be a crime against humanity and also offence of good reason.
 
 
 
stalin isnt a real role model for communism. Its hard to find a communist leader that is
 
 
Stalin and other communist leaders are model leaders of communism. Communist system is unnaturall and opressive by definition. The only way to introduce communism somwhere is to force people to it. As it is not natural and not reasonable the majority will be always against it so must be forced to communism by minority of sick maniacs who try to create ideal utopic world. As they really try to create this utopic world they always have to annihilate those who are against it.
 
Communism is supposed to have no government and the working class is supposed to be in charge.
 
Aye, in the end communist community is supposed to be ruled directly by working class or even not ruled at all as there will be no need for goverment and everyone will be damn happy with his life. There will be no state in technical meaning of this word.
 
 
Communism is no better than fascism - both are evil ideologies that have destroyed peoples and nations.
 
I've been told that communism and fascism are the two main types of totalitarianism.
 
These are very true statements. Whats more both those ideologies require an enemy to exist. The enemy not always knows that he is enemy, usually someone else declares him/them to be enemy. For nazists the enemy had a racial character and it was Jew. For communists it was often changing in different periods of time, so we had class enemies, revisionists, trockists, antirevolutionists. In general always as greatest enemies of communism were declared followers of ideologies which were closest to communism like for example socialists and social democrates. Just like in ancient Rome after introduction of christianity - the heretics were considered as worse than pagans. Whats strange, nazists also considered socialists as worse enemies, at least in struggle for power in Germany.
 
The need for terror and totalitarism is typical for communism and nazism. If you force someone to do somthing against his will and to do somthing what he considers unnatural, you have to control him all the time to make sure that he is following your doctrine in everything. Making even little exceptions leads to "heresy".


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  Quote Lmprs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 12:03
Originally posted by bg_turk

Communism is no better than fascism - both are evil ideologies that have destroyed peoples and nations.

Just because some Stalinist bureaucrats changed your name?

Originally posted by Mosquito

Well, supporters of communism are completelly stupid as well as communism itself.

No comment.



    

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2006 at 09:52
Originally posted by Feanor


Originally posted by Mosquito

Well, supporters of communism are completelly stupid as well as communism itself.

No comment. 


 
 
It isint an attempt to offend someone. It is truth proved by history.
 
 
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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2006 at 10:41
Maybe we should use terms such as "Soviet communism", "Chinese communism", "Vietnamese communism", such as we make a difference between fascist Italy and nazi Germany.

I don't throw a French modern day communist into the same bucket with a Stalinist era communist for example, although Stalinist apologetics is sick and should be ripped from the communist mouths is there is any of which im sure there is

And call the overall supporters of communism who really care for the ideology and its 19th century rise in Europe some type of utopists whose ideas have never realized their goals of a proletariat dictatorship, and most likely never will. I guess its still feel cool reading all the communist theorists and romanticize.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2006 at 12:07
Any atempt to bring any utopist ideology into practice must and will give terrible results.
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2006 at 15:03
Originally posted by Mosquito

Any atempt to bring any utopist ideology into practice must and will give terrible results.


I agree. Now please tell that to Bush so that he will stop implementing neocon policies across the world.
    
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Originally posted by Kalevipoeg

Maybe we should use terms such as "Soviet communism", "Chinese communism", "Vietnamese communism", such as we make a difference between fascist Italy and nazi Germany. I don't throw a French modern day communist into the same bucket with a Stalinist era communist for example, although Stalinist apologetics is sick and should be ripped from the communist mouths is there is any of which im sure there isAnd call the overall supporters of communism who really care for the ideology and its 19th century rise in Europe some type of utopists whose ideas have never realized their goals of a proletariat dictatorship, and most likely never will. I guess its still feel cool reading all the communist theorists and romanticize.

    

Does anyone know if marxism is still the official doctrine of most communist parties? I know that most socialist parties have rejected it already, but I am not familiar with what communist parties have done.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2006 at 16:57
Originally posted by hugoestr

Originally posted by Mosquito

Any atempt to bring any utopist ideology into practice must and will give terrible results.


I agree. Now please tell that to Bush so that he will stop implementing neocon policies across the world.
    
 
 
 
 
Sure, just let them know that next weekend i come to White House. Unofficially so fireworks and honour guards are not necessary. Do you have any message for his wife too? After talking with him i may bring your words to her as well.


Edited by Mosquito - 28-Nov-2006 at 17:03
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it really depends on the defination of evil, i personally think the intention of the creator communism was not to destroy cultures or kill people, their intention was to make the world a better place, well in their own twisted way.

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