Europeans Were 1st Americans? BBC 2 Special

The thing is that they most likely would have left their genetic markers in the areas they pasted, but Haplogroup X isn't found in central and east asia. On top of that, the population of Natives with X would be swapped, it'd be more numerous in the pacific west instead of the East.

That's not difficult to explain either. If they were cornered into the East coast, it just could mean they suffered a second wave of immigrants from Asia. That does not prove they came from Europe directly at all.

Their migration would have left their mark on the way there. I think it would have actually been more dangerous to cross the continent and leave their food supply, rather then going over a ocean with a ice sheet that can act as land and offer the food they are familiar with hunting and fishing.

[quote] Boats was the man mode of transpotation. I think people just walking over would die and possibly get lost. But they could land on the sheet if needed, it was pretty much like a new land.

Edited by SearchAndDestroy - 15-Mar-2007 at 23:48

To me it shows that people will go great lengths to explore. Thats why these migration theories fascinate me so much. I believe it was said that they had some of the same tools as the inuits. Atleast similar ones. So like the inuits, they learned techniques to survive the harsh conditions. I believe at this time most of Europe was glacial.

I read the first page of that book, seems very interesting. Wonder if they left any genetic marks their. Said a man and a women, so if they weren't killed and had children, maybe they could have left a mark.

Do you mean the X which is found in today Northeast American is only found in Solutreans , but not other European, no matter today or middle age or iced age.But I tihnk the key is can we find X from Skeleton of American and Europe dating back to Iced age?

There were these so-called Solutreans - that were able to survive ice-time, somewhere in northern Europe. In what they call a "biotic refugia".

We still do not know where this "refugia" laid, but the tips are going towards the shores of Biscay.

It is suposed that these people are responsible for the first population of Europe and northern Eurasia. They think that their roots are "Cro-Magnon" and their descendants the first "modern men" to find Europe.

Wether that make them "Caucasians" or not I do not know, - but it was one of the initial points of the "refugia"-theory that it would explain the circumstances necessary to originate the first "white" populations.

It is said that the oldest inhabitants of east-coast America used ocher-red, just like the first inhabitants of the North Sea and the Baltics. Moreover, their tools, pottery and housing kept developing in parallell periods and in a similar type.  In this context the "Viking-houses of New Foundland" would be one of the last (younger) ones - in a row of old connections across the North Atlantic.

From the medival chronicles of Europe we hear about a "Sea-kingdom of Norway" who had relatives (and/or "subjects") on all the islands of the North Atlantic, as well as the east-coast of North-America, as far south as todays Virginia and Chesapeak Bay.

The first boat-cultures were still present on the east-coast of North America when Colombus were arriving. But at that point they were a diminishing culture, since the Portuguese had already plundered and taken posession of Greenland and Labrador - and thus started a long-term explotation of the Norse popuations of North-East America. It is said that the name "Labradore" simply reflects the Portuguese view of this new land, as a suplier of white slaves. Apparently they were known as good and strong workers - and thus valuable a pirating trade that seem to estuinguished the Norse populations on Greenland around 1376-77.

Later the raid for slaves would have reached the Norse communities in  "Helluland", "Eldland", "Markland" and "Vinland" - that later became "Labradores", "Corte Realis Land", "Norhumbega"  and "Florida". Later, as the English fleet started to rule the waves and thus the American east-coast. By 1521 Sir Raleigh could name the old Norse "Vinland The Good" to "Virginia" - in favour of the English Queen. Luckily the revenging armada of Spain and Portugal would fail to beat the English Navy - and thus the English take-over of east-coast America.

But by then the old tracks and trails - from the ancient Norse populations and the Norse trading-routes across the Atlantic - were already long gone.
 
When we finally get to learn about them it is from American archaeologists that excavates their old habitats, tools and trade-objects - besides and inbetween the Solutrean artefacts and the red ochre from Europes upper stone-age...

When we fianlly get to know that the haplogroup Rb1 are shared between NA Indians and Scandinavians we should not be that surprised. The North American Indians can well be a blend of paleolithic sailors from Europe and the indigenous indians of Central-America.


Edited by Boreasi - 21-Apr-2007 at 19:46

Perhaps the North American Indian got their "Scandinavian" Rb1 by blood-transfusion?