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Topic: The best mercenaries Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 04:07 |
Who do you think were the best mercenaries?
The Greeks in the service of Cyrus the Younger against Artaxerxes II? The Greeks in the service of Xerxes I during invasion of Greece of 484BC? The Greeks in the service of Darius III during Alexander the Great's invasion of Persia? The Varangian Guards in the Byzantine? The Italian condottiero? The Swiss mercenaries? The Landsknechts? The Cossacks (Kazak)? The Gurhkas? The Sepoys? The various auxillaries of the Roman legions?
I won't create a poll because the list is not exhaustive and my own knowledge is limited.
Please submit your choice and explain what made you choose them.
A guideline for determining what constitute as a good mercenary is this: gives the employer his money's worth.
This of course excludes those who were so good that they usurp the government for themselves.
Slaves warriors such as Mameluks and Janissary excluded unless you are referring to a particular group which were not slaves but receive payment (such as Napoleon's Mamluks).
My own choices:
Number 1. The Gurkhas in the service of the British during WW1 and WW2. Too many battles to list their bravery and fighting capabilities.
Number 2. Swiss Guards in the employ of French Monarchy and died in the defence of Tuileries Palace in 1792.
On a side note, anyone knows who were the most well-paid mercenaries in history?
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Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 06:23 |
anyone knows who were the most well-paid mercenaries in history? |
The condottiere,who were among masters of their profession,were well paid and proud of it.
A condottieri named Colleoni got an individual payment of 60,000 to 100,000 florins a year by Venetians.
Not sure who the highest though.
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French Foreign Legion are pretty good, so was the US army in Gulf War I.
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Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 20:40 |
Originally posted by Paul
French Foreign Legion are pretty good, so was the US army in Gulf War I. |
Cute, but if you include them, then the US Navy who paid people to protect them were better.
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Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 05:37 |
A lot of western forces are in the pay of foreign governments now. British army and Navy in Brunei, US army in Japan and Saudi Arabia. Japan rcently did a survey, to build an equivelent force the size of the US army in Japan would cost them four times the amount of money it costs tem to have the US stationed there. So they decided to continue paying for American forces.
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The Erulis. Definately. They were the most feared tribe in whole of
northern Europe circa 300-400 AD, until the Danes conquered their
lands. This ment the Erulis were in exile from their homeland, and
became one of the most feared mercenaries in that time. Before their
exile they already had carved a reputation of berserk-like fighting,
mentioned in the Beowulf for
example. Eventually they managed to get back to their homeland, the
island Fyn in Denmark, but they still remained as mercenaries. The term
"Erulian" comes from this tribe.
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I can't believe you are talking about the "BEST" mercenaries...They are all cowerds who kill people for money. Nothing is "best" about them..
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The Swiss mercenaries circa 1400-1500. Only able to campaign during the time of year farming was not possible in their agriculturally poor homeland, they fought fiercly. Relying heavily on resolving the campaign early on so they could return home during farming months, they often pushed for a decisive engagement early on. As a rule they took no prisoners, a soldier who broke this military standard found himself executed for disobedience. Able to smash many conventional armies through a mixture of good tactics, the use of the polearm and sheer battlefield enthusiasm, they were revolutionary and battle winning units.
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Here are some more units
Cretan Archers (service for Greeks)
Italian "Sons of Mars" (service for Romans)
Baeleric Slingers (service for Carthaginians)
Sarmatian/Alan Cavalry (service for Romans)
Foederati units (service for Romans)
Hunnic Cavalry (service Romans)
Almogavars
Khwarezmian Mercenaries
Frankish Latinikon (service for Byzantium)
Nomadic Cavalry eg. Khitans, Uyghurs (service for Chinese)
"Mercenary" Ronins
German "Black Riders"
The most widespread mercenaries were Nomadic cavalry, used by
almost all sedentary civilizations. So I guess they were the greatest
in this sense.
The most prestigeous in the middle ages was the Varangian Guard.
Later, the Swiss became the premier mercenaries of Europe.
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I am a little surprised no one has mentioned the Catalan Grand Company.
Their numbers only a couple of thousands, they were able to defeat the
Turks in Anatolia and the Byzantines in Thrace and Macedonia.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 03:36 |
The Ghurka's are often quoted as merceneries, but as a fully fledged and intergral part of the British army I don't feel it is an accurate title.
Ifyou don't agree dont tell me, tell The Royal Ghurka Rifles, but check your life insurance first!!
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Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 07:27 |
Turkish mercenaries were the best ever,They were born to fight in first they served Abbasid and later Saladin they defeated Byzantine,Crusader and retake Jerousalem they formed their state in Egypt ,Syria and Hijaz(Saudi province now)They defeated mongols at Ain Jalut 1260 A.D.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 23:22 |
Originally posted by WorldPeace
I can't believe you are talking about the "BEST" mercenaries...They are all cowerds who kill people for money. Nothing is "best" about them.. |
As mentioned in the first post, a good mercenary is one who gives his/her employer value for money.
Nothing about morals or being the best soldiers in the world.
Sometimes mercenaries are hired to attack, sometimes they are hired to defend, what is fundamental is that they put their lives at risk - nothing inherently cowardly about that.
Some employers hired mercenaries because they don't have enough soldiers, some hired mercenaries because they don't want to get their own hands dirty (or risk the lives of their own people).
BTW, this is a military folder of a history forum, so if you got any objections to discussion of war and killing stuff, this is not the right place for you.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 03:50 |
Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter
Turkish mercenaries were the best ever,They were born to fight in first they served Abbasid and later Saladin they defeated Byzantine,Crusader and retake Jerousalem they formed their state in Egypt ,Syria and Hijaz(Saudi province now)They defeated mongols at Ain Jalut 1260 A.D. |
They were appreciated in Hungary too. King Gza II was a known "fan" of them. He used them both foreign and native muslims a lot.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 10:18 |
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I believe the Latinikoi or the Catalan Grand Company whom I favour most.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 16:00 |
I think the swiss mercenarys,
mercenarys are usually not very ordered
but the swiss had pretty good tactics.
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Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 14:19 |
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Are the Swiss Guards of the Vatican still receiving mercenary pay?
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Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 17:01 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
I am a little surprised no one has mentioned the Catalan Grand Company.
Their numbers only a couple of thousands, they were able to defeat the
Turks in Anatolia and the Byzantines in Thrace and Macedonia.
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There, there: the Almogavars were the best
There wasn't just a Catalan company but also a Navarrese company that
maybe was more time fighting in Greece - (initially they went there to
try to conquer Albania for Sicily).
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