Prove your god's existence.

Praetor, I misunderstood your argument (and you posted this before me). I have seen some religious types yell about how since atheists and agnostics have no strict moral code, they cannot truly be moral.

As per the "natural laws" I in no way mean that man has ALWAYS been good to its fellow man, I however mean that being good to your fellow man is a basic moral that most atheists/agnostics believe in. Sure, many Christian morals are just basics also (but some can be a bit scary at time), but most of the basic morals are found in almost every single belief system. I guess you could call my beliefs "humanistic" in a sense, since I believe that many moral values are natural to man (evidenced by the commonality of culture's moral values).

As for the definitions of agnostic, the first one works for perfectly me if you take replace "impossible" with "currently unknown." However, my justification for the lumping together of the atheist and agnostic beliefs is by the broad definition of "not a belief in a higher power." Since agnostics do not have a belief in a higher power, by this definition of atheism, and from what I have come across this definition only are included in this very broad definition of atheism. Besides, I think it is more what a person believes than whether they call themselves "atheist", "agnostic", "humanist", or whatever human term is available.

Well, the thing I said I sort of said wrong. What I meant to say is "Ever since the dawn of man, the characteristic of kindness has always been active." This in no way means that "men never have done horrible things to each other."

As per the Christian morals, I would say many of the Old Testament morals such as the "chosen people", the punishments for adultery, homosexuality, fornication, etc. Also some of the stories of the Old Testament God whom commanded the Israelites to "show no mercy" to their enemies, the "slave must obey his master" verse, the "a woman can never teach a man" verse, etc.

Number PHI proves the Tenri(God) ı think =)

What a pity that Phi is a letter.

'Can we prove that God exists' is a different question to 'Does God exist'. The answer to the former is no, we cannot prove God's existence -or anything for that matter- in a final absolute sense.
Now, the common method in attempting to prove/disprove God is Scientific Research and Method. This is undertaken by observing, repeating and measuring. Although, supernatural or non-material (thought, morality.etc) concepts cannot be analysed or studied by Scientific Research as they are non-repeatble, observable or measurable - I mean, you can't definatively measure morality. Therefore it is humanly impossible to come to an absolute conclusion on whether or not God exists. Belief or disbelief are based on evidence or lack of evidence as opposed to on proof.

I'll conclude by posing three questions for you to consider:
1)How did the universe begin?
2)How can the universe be so complex yet perfectly ordered, in order for everything to exist?
3)Why do all cultures hold to objective moral values?

Regards,

- Knights -

"Knowledge of what is does not open the door directly to what should be. If one asks the whence derives the authority of fundamental ends, since they cannot be stated and justifed merely by reason, one can only answer: they exist in a healthy society as p owerful traditions, which act upon the conduct and aspirations and judgements of the individuals; they are there, that is, as something living, without its being necessary to find justification for their existence. They come into being not through demonst ration but through revelation, through the medium of powerful personalities. One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly."