The New Middle East

Originally posted by The Grim Reaper http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/hg/YCC_R1a1.html   The website link you posted which makes a minor reference to Pakistani genetic makeup when compared to that of Turkey's, was written by a group of Indic Pakistanis. I would hardly lend much credence to a group of Indic Pakistanis who would do anything to shed their Hindu and Indian heritage and adopt that of peoples they viewed as superior to them, in this case, the Turks.   btw: That website is not credible at all. I can find some random BS on the Internet as well, just like the one you've found, anyone can post anything on the World Wide Web, but does this make it credible? Now, that is a different story. Your links are partisan, without merit, and utter nonsense. I can find you links from Hindu nationalist, White supremacist, Islamist, Zionist, etc. websites - would that make the information on these sites, accurate?? I think not! So why bother me with some link from a Pakistani nationalist website???

Try again, the study was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics by researchers who've probably got more important things on their mind than to want to prove some sort of link to other ethnic groups.. If you read the paper you'd also find the following "Pakistanis"

Your source is an Indian propaganda webpage. 

Originally posted by shayan LOL! Here is one Iranian who cares more about Our Nation then about Islam, and so are there many with me ;) specially the younger generation same in Turkey, but like the guy who made this thread said, Iran is excluded (luckely) in his ummah thing :) Iranians or Turks will never never never never never ever give up there language for Arabic, there culture for Arabic culture there ways of doing things for Arabic ways of doing things which is one of the main things of this Ummah thing ;) Ask a TUrk  or AN Iranian randomly on the streets about this and they will all answer they are first Iranian or Turk and then muslim ( if not before muslim a political ideology like monarchist(Iran) socialist, liberal or pragmatist) Just make sure you make yourself some arab ummah instead of a muslim one cuzz i m not seeing Turks joining it ;)

Well said. I cannot really speak about Turks in Turkey but most of my relatives who live there despise bringing religion into politics and are staunchly secular, and I am sure they would be opposed to any union or ummah with the Arabs.

I personally consider myself a Turk first, then a Bulgarian citizen, and religion plays very little role in my identity. And I can safely say this for most Turks in Bulgaria as well. Religion becomes important only  in times of confrontation with Bulgarians, as it is a useful tool to strengthen Turkish unity.

I personally consider myself a Turk first, then a Bulgarian citizen, and religion plays very little role in my identity. And I can safely say this for most Turks in Bulgaria as well. Religion becomes important only  in times of confrontation with Bulgarians, as it is a useful tool to strengthen Turkish unity.

Bulldog,