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    Posted: 01-Sep-2011 at 15:32
Originally posted by hotelsindanang

Other than pseudo-historical accounts of Byzantine expeditions across
the Don Basin, I do think there is any evidence to support actual active
warfare between the two nations. hotels in da nang here were economic conflicts that
perhaps contained small raids on the Black Sea coasts, but if there
were, medieval historians did not mention them.  Also, es_bih makes a
good point about initial skirmishes in the preceding post.Mark Whittow covers this topic in good detail.

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Other than pseudo-historical accounts of Byzantine expeditions across the Don Basin, I do think there is any evidence to support actual active warfare between the two nations. hotels in da nang here were economic conflicts that perhaps contained small raids on the Black Sea coasts, but if there were, medieval historians did not mention them.  Also, es_bih makes a good point about initial skirmishes in the preceding post.

Mark Whittow covers this topic in good detail.
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"Glorious!" V. "glories"?

Sorry to nit-pick, but perhaps you meant to write;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

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 How is this the greatist? in the 600's is when the byzantines got thrashed,it wasn't the most glories time,it was when the byzantines passed from being a world power to being a second rate power.
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Originally posted by ZOleg

What about the wars of Byzantine against xazars?

How many wars?



I ve read a mention in a chronicle about "conquest of Chazaria" during late Basil II era (976-1025) but i m not able at the moment to bring up the author and the exact quote.

I guess it refers to the coastal towns and area opposite to Crimea (Cherson) or even to the inner of Crimea.
Thats because Chazars' terittory in the early 11th cent was limited in this area and taht in the 11th-12th century these lands are shown in maps as Byzantine.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2009 at 19:14
Off the top of my head I cannot think of any.  There is of course the story of Justinian I obtaining the silk worms.  From earlier Roman times there was some contact with the Far East, but someone else will have to supply you with details.
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I wonder are there any relations recorded from Byzantine source about a contact between this third power and the Tang Empire (the most powerful in 7-half 8th century)?
The Arabs did not do very well when they advanced into Central Asia, as their power has been checked by Tubo Empire as well as Tang. To the west, it seems Byzantine was also doing a good job.


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Other than pseudo-historical accounts of Byzantine expeditions across the Don Basin, I do think there is any evidence to support actual active warfare between the two nations.  There were economic conflicts that perhaps contained small raids on the Black Sea coasts, but if there were, medieval historians did not mention them.  Also, es_bih makes a good point about initial skirmishes in the preceding post.

Mark Whittow covers this topic in good detail.  See The Making of Byzantium, 600-1200.


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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

Originally posted by ZOleg

What about the wars of Byzantine against xazars?

How many wars?


Thanks for the question ZOleg. I moved it to the middle Byzantine thread where it properly belongs.


Honestly, I do not know the answer to this question, if in fact the Byzantines fought an actual war against the Khazars. Byzantine missionaries visited their chieftan at some point and presented Orthodox Christianity, who eventually decided to convert to Judaism.   Does anyone else have an answer?



I havent heard of a specific war with the Khazars either. Aside from the religious envoys there were diplomatic ties as well since the Khazar kingdom protected the north-eastern frontier. There may have been initial skirmishes. Afterall they did have skirmishes with the Pechenegs and all out wars until they were neautrailized and used as buffers and soldiers.
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Originally posted by ZOleg

What about the wars of Byzantine against xazars?

How many wars?

Thanks for the question ZOleg.  I moved it to the middle Byzantine thread where it properly belongs.
 
Honestly, I do not know the answer to this question, if in fact the Byzantines fought an actual war against the Khazars.  Byzantine missionaries visited their chieftan at some point and presented Orthodox Christianity, who eventually decided to convert to Judaism.   Does anyone else have an answer?
 
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What about the wars of Byzantine against xazars?

How many wars?
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I saw picture in my byzantine armies book that showed reliefs from a tenth cnetury casket on were armenian troops with cuirasses that looked similar to the old roman lorica segmenatas can anyone tell me anything about that?Smile
 
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Its a late 9th century Basilikoi Anthropoi.
 
They are essentially the "Emperor's men" consisting of elite soldiers drawn from native or mercenary forces such as the Hetaereia (companions). Turkic warriors were fairly prominent in the 9th century so they would most likely have dominated the regiment.
 
As you can see, a number of Central Asian influences are fairly dominant  but still essentially "Roman".
 
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Pretty cool I'd love to see the finished productSmile he looks a lot like a klibnaophoros doesn't he?Smile


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Work in progress.
 
Basilikoi Anthropoi late 9th century. consisting of select Pharganoi, Chazaroi, Alanoi and other Tourkoi Hetaereia
 
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Very true; whereas there were probably close to 1,000 in the later 10th century, by the late empire their numbers would be much, much less.  There is probably no way to figure out how few they really were, unfortunately.  Byzantine Emperor knows a lot more about the late empire than I do, I'll let him come up with an answer! Smile
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It did say he probably belonged to an elite guard unit but that doesn't sound too moch different from the early klibanophoroi. 


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