who are Turks? The current people in Anatolia?

Dear Babar,
   Hi there. First, I should say, I didn't mean anything when saying 'I didn't know you refer to these books...'. I was just kind of curious. And well, I didn't say Merkits and Kongrats were Turkic; they were just little bit different with Mongols; that's it. And have you noticed the great improvement during our conversations, so far? We just agree Tatars are Turk!!! It's obvious. But the way you acted just shocked me . Take care and watch out!!!


Kind regards,
Iltirish

Hi all, I see a beautiful discussion here. Hmmm, I know for sure that to be a t�rkmen can be to be either 1-ethnically turkic 2-culturally turkic 3- a mix of both. Most Turkish people of T�rkiye are of the 3rd category where they are Turkic tribes starting from the Oghuz immigration and the Seljuks who have mixed with local population including many Kurds, Armentians, Byzantinians, Greeks..etc who were turkcized (if I can use this term). You can see that turkish people resembles more of a mediterranean look as you move to Western Turkey as these areas had a substantional number of non-turkic population that mixed later.

Not  to confuse, it is not necessary that Turkic tribes travelled with their immigration after Islam as seljuks or ottomans. Bulgars were Turkic people who settled now Bulgaria by the 6th century AD and in fact mixed with the population there and EXCHANGED their turkic tongue with the Slavic one. Ottoman empire came later to influence Bulgarian language with more turkish vocabularies.

Finally, do not forget than Turkish population has obsurbed a lot of immigrants from European turkish-speaking communities or communities that can melt easily in the society, like a lot of Busians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Turkish greeks, Azeris who mostly settled in Western turkey which is developed. Turkey population after WWI was 13 million growing to over 60 million now.

Edited by �ok ge�

Well, the turkish embassy in Washington DC states they are approximately 65 million at their webpage introduction

http://www.turkishembassy.org/intro.html

Anyhow, 60 millions or 80 millions...a great nation for sure

Originally posted by �ok ge� Hi all, I see a beautiful discussion here. Hmmm, I know for sure that to be a t�rkmen can be to be either 1-ethnically turkic 2-culturally turkic 3- a mix of both. Most Turkish people of T�rkiye are of the 3rd category where they are Turkic tribes starting from the Oghuz immigration and the Seljuks who have mixed with local population including many Kurds, Armentians, Byzantinians, Greeks..etc who were turkcized (if I can use this term). You can see that turkish people resembles more of a mediterranean look as you move to Western Turkey as these areas had a substantional number of non-turkic population that mixed later. Not  to confuse, it is not necessary that Turkic tribes travelled with their immigration after Islam as seljuks or ottomans. Bulgars were Turkic people who settled now Bulgaria by the 6th century AD and in fact mixed with the population there and EXCHANGED their turkic tongue with the Slavic one. Ottoman empire came later to influence Bulgarian language with more turkish vocabularies. Finally, do not forget than Turkish population has obsurbed a lot of immigrants from European turkish-speaking communities or communities that can melt easily in the society, like a lot of Busians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Turkish greeks, Azeris who mostly settled in Western turkey which is developed. Turkey population after WWI was 13 million growing to over 60 million now.

i agree

Originally posted by �ok ge�  3- a mix of both. Most Turkish people of T�rkiye are of the 3rd category where they are Turkic tribes starting from the Oghuz immigration and the Seljuks who have mixed with local population including many Kurds, Armentians, Byzantinians, Greeks..etc who were turkcized (if I can use this term). You can see that turkish people resembles more of a mediterranean look as you move to Western Turkey as these areas had a substantional number of non-turkic population that mixed later.

ha ha ha
totally agree


mixed? do u rally believe Turks married with Armenians,kurds, Greeks!!
really believe in that?
i set you free my friend


i think its so easy to think about roots in Arabia, but thinking is not always path to reality(in somewhere), and of course "the roots" is not so easy topic to make decisions freely

 have a nice dreams with no prooves




Edited by Hak-Khan

I would like to see some proof too, otherwise this topic will be fodder for naive misfits who lack the ability to back up their claims.

Azer Turko, listen buddy; to speak Turkic does not mean tp be a Turk raced. When you're talking about Turkic & Mongolian race, you can't say this category consists of Azeris. I didn't limit 'being a Turk' to only Turkmen or something. Azeris are definately Turkic lingulized; and you're right; you're more like Anatolian Turks than Central Asians.

i totally agree with tatar. i have made this point too before. wheather you are an anatolian turk azeri turk or turkmen kazak kyrgyz uygur tatar or whatever. if you feel you are a turk then no one can deny this to you. but claiming any type of racial purity, saying im more of a turk because of my blood or because i have slanted eyes or because i live in central asia is just plain wierd to me. we all have ties with one another wheather by blood, language culture or history. these ties are unbreakable and un deniable. and you definately dont need all of the above to feel like a turk. and i think that is the beauty of the all turks. we are a colorful people. u can see a cacasoid a mongoloid and alot more all who can call themselves a turk. insted of looking at all the differences and then saying you guys have nothing in common or im more of a turk than you, maybe we should first look at all the similarities and what ties us together....

sorry but its a pure irresponsibility

Turks were Muslim people, they were not racist but they were PURE EXRIME FUNDEMENTALISTS(of course not so pure in the present day)

so it cant be a marriage between Muslims and Christians at those years(first movements to anatolia since the year of 1071-the days that all the people was extreme in the known-world)
as you see,it was a madness to think and applying about mixing in that ages


sorry but your thoughts are related to ignorance

anatolian turks were only mixed with other turks who came anatolia from central asia,siberia,mongolia in The Big Movements

sahas,sakas,azeries,tatars,turkmens,uyghurs,kyrgizs,yakuts ,karays,kazaks and many more

they have still different look a likes between those turks
some of them dark, some of them blond...
some of them are still simpleton too(believers for every kind of false noticing)




Edited by Hak-Khan

thank you your_overlord.

 im not confused. but hak-khan calling my thoughts, thoughts of ignorace and then also proving my point, i just dont get you. are a turk from turkey? well then take alook at kazaks, do they look like you? are they turks? i guess you didnt read or atleast didnt understand what i said. please re-read the post.