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Why Chinese Empire never extended to Philippines?
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    Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 22:52
In another thread entitled "What if's in Philippine History?", I cited an article whose author (a Filipino) raised the question of "what if the Philippines had been annexed by China prior to the Spaniards".
 
 
My question is, why did Imperial China NEVER attempt to annex the Philippines given its close geographical proximity to China? After all, the island of Luzon is extremely close to Taiwan, and to a lesser extent, to Hainan. Imagine how Filipino history would have been rewritten if the Philippines had become one of Imperial China's provinces/protectorates/vassal states. 


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becasue it was not part of the han empire later dynasties didnt try and incorparate thes 'barbarian' lands into the empire
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Most imperial dynasties of China never even paid attention to Taiwan.
The interest in maritime empire was just not there.
 
Most potential benefits were better realised by private traders, who despite numerous restrictions, brought some of the most sought after goods into China, including the birds' nest.
 
As far as the dynasties were concern, they were the only big fish around, and hence, were content not to impose direct rule on the small powers in the vicinity.
 
They never thought faraway powers would actually colonise these "small fries" and curb the influence of imperial China in the region.
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taiwan greater liu qiu was a deserted island which was only populated after the 1000s.
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China was first concerned about containing Champa for most of history until the latter nation was overrun by the new Viet kingdom.

Champa and China were always fighting.  Cham pirates were a big problem in Annam (N. Vietnam) which was under Chinese control for a millennium.

After it loss Annam, Champa was not such a problem anymore, and the Viets were able to  establish a more stable  relationship.  China did attempt  some military excursions against Luzon during the  Ming  dynasty under none other than Zheng He, but decided that establishing trading colonies was a better approach.

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Zheng He went to the Fhilippines?
 
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Actually ,at one point  Ming China Loyalist Koxinga (Cheng Cheng-kung)  threatened to invade Spanish-controlled Phillipine after hearing the mistreatment of Chinese resident in Phillipine as well as the feud over the commercial. The invasion didn't know come to fruition as Koxinga died a year later.
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Most of the history of the phillipines pre colonisation has been suppressed, I would like to know the extent of chinese influence on the Phillipines.
I know in malaysia chinese colonies had been formed, I suspect this is highly likely in the phillipines as well.
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Originally posted by jiangweibaoye

Zheng He went to the Fhilippines?
 
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Zheng He was sent to the Philippines and nearby islands in the second year of the reign of Yung Lo, before his famous treasure voyages.

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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Most of the history of the phillipines pre colonisation has been suppressed, I would like to know the extent of chinese influence on the Phillipines.
I know in malaysia chinese colonies had been formed, I suspect this is highly likely in the phillipines as well.


A pre-Hispanic Chinese trading colony was formed in the area known as the Parian near ancient Maynila.  The land was granted by the Rajah of Maynila (Manila).

There are other locations which according to local legend were also Chinese trading posts but not verified by historical sources.  Most of them are also known as "Parian" and are still a place of Chinese businesses always located on riverbanks.

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The Chinese in SE Asia did establish a self-ruled kingdom. Interestingly, its political structure may mark it the world first republic country despite its tiny territory and population and a very short time existing. The envoy of this kingdom went back to imperial court of China to ask for recognition and protection, which both were brutally refused by the Chinese emperor. If u ask why SE Asia were not vassal states or something like that of China, I would respond'' its because a thought. A thought that had long rooted in the common Chinese mind: THe center of the world is where the Chinese emperor sits, and the land of us is vast enough, no need to explore the unknown barbarian areas at all.
 
When the Chinese were obsessed in their past glory and the illusion of the world center, refusing to do any further advanture and change. The western world was galloping to a brand new era that finally made them the world dominant power till today.
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