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Gkhan
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Topic: The many faces in Turkey Posted: 14-Jan-2007 at 13:14 |
Altought it is easy to find yoruks in Anatolia.Many of them are settled and now living in cities or villages
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shinai
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Posted: 30-Dec-2006 at 10:37 |
Bulldog I appreciate your knowledge, budy.
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Posted: 29-Dec-2006 at 19:20 |
I wish, I've still got lot's to learn.
But you my friend are a Hellenic source of knowledge, keep up the good work
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Posted: 29-Dec-2006 at 11:44 |
Originally posted by shinai
I will try to contact with my friend who is a Turkologist and find out more about "Yuregir" tribe. |
Bulldog is the best Turkologist.
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Posted: 29-Dec-2006 at 11:23 |
Thanks budy, I will try to contact with my friend, who is a Turkologist and find out more about "Yuregir" tribe. They have a cool Tmga too.
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Posted: 29-Dec-2006 at 08:26 |
Shinai, they live in social units called Obalar and they call this tent Oba, Oba is a pre-Islamic terminology but they still keep it.
Their tents are well known, they actually weave and sell them to the other tribes in Middle-East.
Yoruk's are Oghuz Turkmen's but the Turkmen's tent's are Yurt's.
Turkmen Yurt in Ankara
A Feast in a Yurt in Kirgizistan
Now you can enjoy luxury "Yurt" holidays
Turkmen Yurt's are made up of 99 re-inforcements (the supports/wooden beams that are constructed inside and for the room). They are an ancient Turkic tradition and have been influential in architecture when Turkmens who became sedentary settled. In Ottoman architecture you can see their influence alot, the Topkapi Palace has many Tent and Tent inspired pavillions, other buildings, mausaleums and summer palaces also have this influence.
After the Seige of Vienna, the Ottoman's left a Tent city, the local's were amazed by it, it was very well ordered, they had fountains, baths, garden's, trip-wires and the tent's of the commanders were very grand. It soon became very fahsionable to build "Pavillions" in Europe and have Tent style buildings and Tent's in courtly homes and Palace;s.
Shinai I'm not an expert on "Yoruk's" but in Kasgarli Mahmud's explanation of 24 Oghuz tribes which made up the Oghuz, there is the "Yuregir", if Yoruk derives from Yuregir maybe this is who they are?
This is their Tamga
This is the Avsar Tamga you can see it in their famous carpet designs aswell.
The Kayi Tamga
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Posted: 28-Dec-2006 at 20:03 |
What tribe names Yuruk peopel carry?their tents looks qasqayies and Kurdsih tents,you know I ment black wool type( Kara Cadir), That shephard also weared something belong to zagros nomads?!(too kurdish)
They are not alavi Turkmans. are they ? Their tents is diffrent from our Yurts.
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Posted: 28-Dec-2006 at 17:24 |
Thanks guys.
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Posted: 28-Dec-2006 at 12:25 |
Thanks to all of you who clarified the meaning of "Turks".
I can only add that Turkish people can physically be different because they came from the vast Osmanli Empire which occupied parts of Europe,Asia and Africa.
Edited by Moustafa Pasha - 28-Dec-2006 at 12:27
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 19:54 |
Konstantinius,Yuruks have reached Greece too and lived isolated as nomads,Greeks called them Konyalides(From Konya).They left after the population exchanges.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 19:37 |
Originally posted by Huncuk
Are they Yoruk,ı thinked because they look more Turkic than Turkish. |
Originally posted by Huncuk
Just tell me,are they Yoruk or not? |
Originally posted by konstantinius
What is a YoruK? |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
Hmm yoruk means well iy comes from yurumek it means to walk.. there nomads in anatolia some even in thrace if i'm not mistaken. |
The girl & man are not nomads or 'walkers' - they're villagers from some of the surviving ancient villages in the heart of Turkey: Cappadocia.
The lands of Cappadocia make up the history of some of the most beautiful regions in Turkey.
Greek, Roman, early Christian, Ottoman, and other settlers make up Cappadocia's character.
Edited by Hellios - 27-Dec-2006 at 21:24
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 19:08 |
Yoruk's
In the early 19th century there were hundreds of thousands of Yrks living on Ottoman territories in the Balkans as well as in western Anatolia. Records indicate that in the mid-13th century there were 200,000 Yrk tribal families living in tents between Denizli and Izmir alone. The existence of a further 100,000 tents was reported in the Kastamonu region of north central Anatolia, and 30,000 between Ktahya and Afyon.
In the early 16th century, we find 72,268 Yrk tents in western Anatolia, compared to 368,398 settled hearths in the same region. Today you will see at most five Yrk tents in any one camp during the winter in Adana, Mersin and Antalya while in the summer, a trip to the Taurus uplands may reward you with the sight of some twenty or thirty Yrk tents in a given camp..........
http://www.turkishculture.org/pages.php?ChildID=210&ParentID=12&ID=56&ChildID1=210
Yoruk Tent's, they're famous for these and still weave them, people in the Middle East buy these aswell from them.
Yoruk Shephard cloak
Little kid in tradditional clothes
Some festival
A Yoruk guy
Yoruk dress
Design of a carpet, Yoruk's are great weaver's.
Yoruk's are sometimes called Turkmen and Turkmen called Yoruk.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 18:09 |
Hmm yoruk means well iy comes from yurumek it means to walk.. there nomads in anatolia some even in thrace if i'm not mistaken. there are 3 groups of turks in anatolia the largest of Turkmen descent, the second of Tatar and some Yoruks. The Turkmens and Yoruks are of the same stock but the Turkmens had become well more sedentary with old customes like carpetweaving extensive horse riding and sumerhouses(yayla evi). While Yoruks were still real nomads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C3%B6r%C3%BCk (most famous Yoruk is Karagoz)
Edited by xi_tujue - 27-Dec-2006 at 18:11
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 17:11 |
What is a YoruK?
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 15:17 |
Originally posted by DayI
People from the place i live (Afyonkarahisar) will know about "Muhajir" villages, they where balkan muslim people's who fled into Turkey during and before WWI. They wherent "few" people, hundred thousands of them fled into Turkey, inner anatolia. |
Just tell me,are they Yoruk or not?
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 12:06 |
Originally posted by Huncuk
Are they Yoruk,ı thinked because they look more Turkic than Turkish. |
Come on man, turkish is also part of Turkic , Turkic range is too wide.
Actually I found turkish peopel more proud of their Turkic roots. What make them Turk is their belives. I do not understand why peole are trying to use the white faces in Turkey as reason to consider Turkey as a non Turkic country. They are white Turks.
Genetic do not make you Turk. You need to feel like Turk, I am a Torkman (Shie Turkmen) some of my family still live in yurts but I do not feel myself as a Turk because I found Iranian a better choise for myself, This makes me a Persian. So many peopel in Balkan found Turkish a better identity for themselves, these peopel are really turk. They even act like Turks.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 10:51 |
People from the place i live (Afyonkarahisar) will know about "Muhajir" villages, they where balkan muslim people's who fled into Turkey during and before WWI. They wherent "few" people, hundred thousands of them fled into Turkey, inner anatolia.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 10:46 |
Are they Yoruk,ı thinked because they look more Turkic than Turkish.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 10:12 |
Anatolian (Uchisar) girl & man:
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