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    Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:26

I'm surprised there isn't an article on this era in Chinese History,or the Jin Dynasty.Anyway,the Three Kingdoms era of China happend after the Han Dynasty's decline in 220 A.D.Cao Cao was ruler of Wei,Liu Bei was ruler of Shu Han after taking over his relative's kingdom of Shu in Cheng Du.The Sun family,led by Sun Jian,then Sun Ce,then Sun Quan were rulers of Wu,a kingdom in the south.Has anyone ever heard or read the book by Luo Guanzhong,Romance of the Three Kingdoms?Its one of the best books,I'm serious.

As I was saying,the Three Kingdoms Era and the Jin Dynasty,founded by the Sima Family after the abdication of last Wei Emperor Cao Huan and the destruction of both Wu and Shu Han Dynasties,led by Liu Chan and Sun Hao,should be in AllEmpires.com.Its a really important part in Chinese History.Also,two of the most brilliant strategists came out of that Era as well,Kongming,or Zhuge Liang,and Sima Yi,great grandfather of Sima Yan,who established the Jin Dynasty in 280,which was then overun by the Xiong Nu.

You should read the book.It might be long,but its really exciting,and epic.


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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:35
I was also wondering if I can actually contribute an article on AllEmpires.com?I would really love to be a contributor of the Wei,Shu Han,Wu,and the Jin Dynasties.I read the book,and have gone to tons of sites to look up more information about these Eras.If its a no,then thats ok,but if its a yes,then that would really be good for me.

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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:45

Three Kingdom threads are welcome.  But I guess it's hard to find anything new to say about that period. 

In Jin dynasty however, The monk FaXian traveled to India on foot, then returned from Srilanka by boat.  When he got to China, he was 73 years old.  I think this is probably the first written records of Chinese traveling through the south sea.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:51
Yea write an article.  It's always welcome here at AE.
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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:53
Thank you!I was hoping someone would give me an answer.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:59
BTW you have an interesting user name.  Care to share some light on it?
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  Quote aznsassinxx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 20:25
Cao Cao and Sun Quan was an imposter their no different from a rebellion and Cao Cao just started all the corruption only Liu Bei got the right to become emperor the Caos and the Suns were fake
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 20:31

Originally posted by aznsassinxx

Cao Cao and Sun Quan was an imposter their no different from a rebellion and Cao Cao just started all the corruption only Liu Bei got the right to become emperor the Caos and the Suns were fake

Sorry if I don't share this only one family can rule the nation point of view.

Besides, if anyone should become the emperor and have rule power to rule the nation, it should be "Han Xian Di".

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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 21:00

To answer your questions,Cao Cao and Sun Quan both were leaders.Had it not been for Cao Cao,the age of the Three Kingdoms would have not been come to being.Cao Cao established Wei by defeating Yuan Shao,and was not a fake,maybe in your opinion.Sun Quan just contiued the legacy of both his father and brother,for they died before the seeing the true age of the Three Kingdoms.The battle of Chi Bi was significant in that Cao Cao was defeated by both Wu and Shu Han forces.Sun Quan is also not a fake.

There were three dynasties up to 280,Wei,Shu Han,and Wu.Cao Huan was abdicated,and he didn't kill another emperor,for the Sima Family had much more influence then the Cao family for officially ending the Shu Han dynasty ruled by Liu Chan,Liu Bei's son.Cao was forced into giving in,and the Sima Family held sway over the Wei Dynasty.After this,Sima Yan then attacked Wu,and Wu surrendered without even so much as a fight.So the Three Kingdoms ended there,when Sima Yan officially renamed Wei to Jin after Cao Huan's abdication.Jin was then overun in 420 by northern babarions,either they have been the Xiong Nu or another tribe,is shrouded in mystery.

And to answer Gubukjanggoon's question,there is a history to this name.It is a name of an Emperor I created in my fictional history story I am writing now.

Any more questions?I guess controversy will erupt from my writing,so best be ready.



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  Quote coolstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 10:08
maybe everyone knows so much about this era that there aren't any disputes about it.
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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 19:46
Coolstorm,you are right,yes.But,if we ever noticed,everything about the past can be disputed in some way or another,because we are forced to let our minds venture into what is given to us from a certain source.There are many sources,some that aren't true.History is something we can debate on,because nearly all of recorded history has its mystery,and has its uncertainties.

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  Quote JiNaRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 21:45
does anyone know Sun Quan's family background? he was well know for having red hair and green eyes
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Originally posted by JiNaRen

does anyone know Sun Quan's family background? he was well know for having red hair and green eyes

It's purple hair.

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  Quote General_Zhaoyun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 23:47
Vamun Tianshu,

If you're interested in discussing about 3 kingdoms history, Jin dynasties or Age of Fragmentation, you might want to visit China history Forum
at http://www.chinahistoryforum.com

It has a specialised section on discussing 3 kingdoms history:
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showforum=7

I would say, read the ROTK for its literature sake and as for its historical accuracy, do not trust it too much. It was written in a such simple way that it has gained popularity in the chinese community.

A more accurate source on 3 kingdoms history is Sanguo Zhi (3 kingdoms annals), which you should always refer as the bible for 3 kingdoms history.


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  Quote coolstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Dec-2004 at 02:10

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Did the Shu state have any chance unifying the country? Was it possible?



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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Dec-2004 at 16:36
General_Zhaoyun,thank you.I will visit that.I have read a little bit of Sanguo Zhi,and yes,I don't completely trust the Novel by Luo Guanzhong.

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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 01:28

Originally posted by aznsassinxx

Cao Cao and Sun Quan was an imposter their no different from a rebellion and Cao Cao just started all the corruption only Liu Bei got the right to become emperor the Caos and the Suns were fake

I thought Cao Cao followed all the right procedures.. and if he was so corrupt, how did his faction function so well?

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Did the Shu state have any chance unifying the country? Was it possible?

no way.. wasn't Wei like 9 times bigger than Shu?



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no way.. wasn't Wei like 9 times bigger than Shu?

     Shu was about half the size of Wei...and all three kingdoms probably had the equal chance of unifiying the country. Wei had a larger population and a larger army, Wu had the best land in the entire China, whilst Shu thought they still held the mandate of heaven. And also Shu had Zhuge Kongming!!!

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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 04:32

I meant population-wise..

it was like 9:4:1 for Wei : Wu : Shu.. Wu and Shu had good defensive positions, but i don't know about their offenses.. Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei making 10+ attacks and accomplishing nothing..



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  Quote JiNaRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 20:08
there were several time Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei almost captured Chang-an
ex.  Ma Su losing Jeiting, Lui Chan calling Zhuge and Jiang back out of suspicion, I think they could have unifed China if they had a better King.
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