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Ponce de Leon
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Topic: Your Favorite Ottoman Rulers Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 17:52 |
Honestly my favorite is ataturk
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DayI
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Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 17:50 |
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i think youre also wright, his 2 sons where brilliant soldiers, one of them even got the highest medaillon of the germans.
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Ahmed The Fighter
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Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 16:32 |
I think Muhammed II al Fatih and Bayzid I was the best Sultans in all directions even though the defeat of Ankra 1402 A.D Bayzid still a great sultan he build the real foundation of the empire and what ensure that was the quick revival after collapse.
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Posted: 30-Mar-2006 at 00:34 |
Mhment the conquerer if my favorite, i also admire Orkhan and Bayazit I.
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DayI
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:46 |
Originally posted by Digenis
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hmm why is our Digenis became so friendly? Or did you read what whas on To Vima newspaper few days ago?
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:43 |
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wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda.
instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source. |
well sorry my mistake, i meand we won our independence war by him (abdulhamit).
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:39 |
Suleyman the Magnificient...
The bloody Sultan? the least favorite (well he is not actually a favorite) for
me...
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:32 |
the poor guy wanted to post smth about history for once... and you threw it in his face..!
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:10 |
ataturk wasnt an ottoman leader.
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Ponce de Leon
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 16:18 |
Attaturk is my fav
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 16:11 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.
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thats not world war one though. the war of "independence" from ottoman ruel happened after world war one. it was a totally different war.
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 15:20 |
No one mentioned II Abdlhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected... |
This is not true. Thanks to Abdulhamid, we lost the First Balkan War, which we could have won, or at least have a less disastrous defeat, if we had the military in World War I (which was the Ittihat ve Terakki military, not Hamidiye military). Abdulhamid was paranoid, and he feared the military officers (he was right in that actually) so he oppressed everyone and kept the military weak. He didn't let the military train, and made them keep the equipment locked away.
Germans built that railroad, not him. Germans wanted to extend their influence to the East. Finally he didn't extend the life of the empire 33 years, he just stayed in power 33 years.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 15:17 |
Mehmed V resad
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:18 |
I am joking, dont become so naive. we know, we lost ww1. what he means is, most probably we survived until colapse of russian, If ottomans fell before rusians, we would have realy bad situation.
By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:09 |
wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda.
instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:02 |
Yeah, we expanded our borders east,west and north, and lost from south.
what do you think about this?
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 13:53 |
Originally posted by DayI
No one mentioned II Abdlhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected...
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do they teach you that in turkey? they say that you won the war?
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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DayI
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 05:53 |
Pers4life; I agree suleiman whas the greatest but in his times the declining of Ottomans begon. He killed his oldest son Mustapha who's should the next Padishah/sultan, reason whas that he did try to talk with the Saffavids -whas actually a rumour about it. Tough he knowed it whas a wrong decission to hang him up...
No one mentioned II Abdlhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected...
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 22:59 |
suleiman, the best leader the ottoman empire ever had, and he took the ottoman empire to its height. after him it was a slow decline.
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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