New discovery in Macedonia - History Forum ~ All Empires

In the area Mariovo ,in the south part of the Republic of Macedonia were dicovered 3 shields with the macedonian sun.The shields are old more then 2200 years ,there is a sign on the shieds with the name of the Macedonian king Demetrius II.

Here some photos of the shields

Very nice discover.

One more evidence what language spoken the ancient Macedonians and of course the known Macedonian symbol that called Vergina Sun and found in many places that lived ancient Greeks.

I hope to see and read the full word that appear in the shield. The Mariovo is a place that located the North-Upper Macedonia.

Any more information for the archaelogical place IMRO?

Edited by akritas - 14-Oct-2006 at 03:14

Demetrius II was son of Antigonus Gonatas reigned as king of Macedonia from 239 to 229. He belonged to the Antigonides Dynasty.

Demetrius had also to defend Macedonia against the peoples of the north. A battle with the known Dardanians (North FYROM) turned out disastrously, and he died shortly afterwards, leaving Philip, his son by Chryseis, still a child. So the finding will give us more information as about that era.

@akritas:Ancient Macedonians aren't ancient greeks.They've had own religion exactly the symbol on the shields is a religion symbol(like crusaders) ,the saint city of the Ancient Macedonians is Dion seteld on the north side on mountain Olymp ,the natural border between Macedonia and Greece.In ancient times when you have own religion then you belong to different ethnicity,also they've had own olympic games.

This discovery show why Macedonian's national symbol is 16 ray sun.

@xristar:I don't know why but maybe you should try with VMRO if that sound better for you

Greek goverment has offered 1 million Euros,to the man who foud the shields.But it's to late now

Originally posted by IMRO

@akritas:Ancient Macedonians aren't ancient greeks.They've had own religion exactly the symbol on the shields is a religion symbol(like crusaders) ,the saint city of the Ancient Macedonians is Dion seteld on the north side on mountain Olymp ,the natural border between Macedonia and Greece.In ancient times when you have own religion then you belong to different ethnicity,also they've had own olympic games.

This discovery show why Macedonian's national symbol is 16 ray sun.

I didn't ask you the ethnicity,religion and the historical boundaries of the ancient Macedonians.I understand that as Slavonic origin of the Macedonia region beleive in the amalgamation theory

FYROMacedonians=Romans+Slavs+ancient Macedonians

As about the Greek symbol that is known as Vergina Sun is known that spreaded not only from the Macedonians but and from other Greek tribes like Spartans.Also appeared in many Greek artifacts.But this not for me the issue.

The issue is the text.

Do you have any photo that show any letter or the word in the shield ? Because is first time that we find in an Greek artifact a name and specially in an weapon like a shield

Originally posted by IMRO

Greek goverment has offered 1 million Euros,to the man who foud the shields.But it's to late now

Poor and cheap propaganda

Originally posted by bleda

yes ancient macedonias arent greeks

I am worring why are you delayed to open any new thread as the the Greek prostitues and the Greeks that throwing immigrants when the Turks saved them!!!

Edited by akritas - 14-Oct-2006 at 12:48

Awesome, very nice pics.

Eric

Edited by Preobrazhenskoe - 14-Oct-2006 at 14:14

IMRO except Akritas's very interestings questions can you answer one more simple? What DEMETRIUS mean in your bulgarian dialect?

I will try to answer some of your questions, akritas.

Originally posted by akritas

[QUOTE=IMRO]

If we temporarily accept that your amazing Racial Mathematics are correct,who were the local people of Macedonia at the end of the nineteenth century and at the beginning of the twentieth century who fought valiantly for Hellenism against Bulgarism, winning the Macedonian Struggle?

They were Graecomans: those people who spoke Macedonian (or if you wish Bulgarian) languages but had to pray in greek for centuries. Those whos books in their own language were burned by greek priests in Bulgarian churches. Those people who had to study in greek schools instead of bulgarian schools. Those people who were stupid enough to believe that Greek culture is superior to their own. They were those who were paid by Greeks as it was described in Pavic novel (and then paid back by Bulgarian Kingdom to be Bulgarians again

) The last one consider as joke of course. What do you expect from those people? Time was difficult and people were disorientated.

What were the thousands of Greek-speakers and slavophones with Hellenic consciousness (Grecornarts) who helped defeat and chase the Bulgarian bands out of Macedonia from 1904 to 1908?

There were Bulgarians who spoke Greek better than Bulgarians and helped Greeks to get their independency. Best example is Stefan Bogoridi who persued sultan to sign independency of Greece. In any case he permanently said he is Bulgarian. Many bulgarians fought for Greek independence. Does that mean that Bulgarians are of Greek origin

What are the Greek-speakers in Macedonia today (not those who migrated from Asia Minor) whose forefathers lived in Macedonia for centuries, surviving the harsh Ottoman occupation?

Greek and Slavic speakers in Macedonia are Macedonians.

Please give your attention in four thinks

-The Artemis was also a Godness that worship from the Macedonians

Well, hmm. What about Jesus? Almost whole Europe and both americas are christians. Are they the same nation?

Macedonchi or Makedonon?

Same.

Edited by Anton - 14-Oct-2006 at 21:09

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@ Anton when answer in my questions please focus in my full responces and not cleaverly bring me cutting quotes.And because the adminstrators locked a similar thread that mention in

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10675

i will prefer to stay in the topic.And the topic is the Shield.

So my evidence that other Greek tribes used the Vergina Sun except the Macedonians is obvious. And I gave 4 elements that proove my argyment and not one

Of course wait and the answer from the IMRO in my question as about the text.

If he has any photo that show any letter or the word in the shield ? Because is first time that we find in an Greek artifact a name and specially in an weapon like a shield.

As about the Macedonchi I didn't know that the ancient Macedonians identified themselves with this Slavic word.Any evidence?

@Menumorut.Propably you went in other archaelogical museum and in diffrent city.

Archaic, Classical and Hellenistic sculptures from arcahelogical museum of Thessaloniki

and of cource you didn't see the below stele!!!!

Edited by akritas - 15-Oct-2006 at 03:40

Originally posted by Menumorut

How could be Macedonians Greeks when they weren't in the Achaian League?

And i am shocked with such a groundless assertion. Whether Macedonians were Greeks or not has absolutely nothing to do with membership in Achaean league.

A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty.