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    Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 16:24
in my opinion, racism and nationalism exist as long as the concept of nation and race remains.
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 16:28
This may true, but what we are trying to avoid is for people to hold corrosive ideas about other people that will result in them being harmed or oppressed.

On the legal side, we need laws to protect people against discrimination.

The social side is more difficult to work out.One basically needs to persuade racists to see their error and change their mind.
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 18:05
racism cannot be eliminated but it can be controlled. Racism is based on conceived ideas and it can be reduced through education and empowering people to think rationally.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 18:09
Notions or nationalism and race ironically are created and destroyed by history. False histories(movies, news, government properganda, popularist histry books) is the main method of creating them and convincing people of their existence. Learning the truth of history, that they don't exist, is the best way to destroy them. However route 2 is va long way down route 1 and most people are going to drop off along the way.... So better jsut to elimate history altogether......
 
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Racism can start spontaneously in 6 years old kids, even without the parends encouraging it. All it needed is to put a strange looking boy in a homogenous group, and reactions can happens.
 
Racism is hardwired into human instincts (and in animals, too). It comes from the ancient times when someone that look different was a risk for your life. Is a primitive tendency of man, like many others we have and that are moderated by education.
 
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Racism is a natural thing, though not a good thing, which occurs in the human mind as we seek to identify ourselves and also define "otherness". Pinguin is absolutely right, racism was a survival instinct by which we humans learnt that any other human who differed from our own tribal group in appearance may not be one of us, and therefore may be a threat to us.

Racism can be controlled and its effects can be minimised. A few basic approaches are needed.

Firstly, education in schools which aims for integration, understanding and tolerance. Education from a young age is critically important.

Two, encourage the mixing of ethnicities across neighbourhoods and suburbs. The congregation of a single given race in each suburb massively facilitates racist attitudes and divisions, when ethnicities all live along the same street the barriers get broken down.

Legislation to prevent discrimination and encourage equal opportunity must also be put in place and enforced.


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 01:34
Hi Siege Tower.
 
Removing the concept of race & nation (like you suggest) is asking a lot from mankind.  The chances of everybody dropping the concept of their race & nation are very slim.
 
Instead, racism can be kept in check, through good government.  It doesn't need to be a rich government, just a government with enough determination to do it.  It doesn't take a rich government to enact certain laws, and enforce them.  Even the poorest governments have their ways of enforcing the laws they want to upon their people.
 
Look at the ethnic distribution of this relatively small city.
Notice the tens of thousands from each ethnicity:
 
Total population 3,380,645 2,473,370 907,270
Canadian 1,885,085 1,244,580 640,505
French 900,485 293,185 607,300
Italian 224,460 154,050 70,405
Irish 161,235 27,295 133,945
English 134,115 29,195 104,920
Scottish 94,705 14,420 80,290
Jewish 80,390 52,090 28,300
Haitian 69,945 61,930 8,010
Chinese 57,655 47,510 10,145
Greek 55,865 44,615 11,250
German 53,850 13,180 40,675
Qubcois 44,965 30,225 14,735
Lebanese 43,740 32,405 11,330
North American Indian 42,655 7,210 35,450
Portuguese 41,050 31,550 9,500
Polish 38,615 17,140 21,475
Spanish 35,245 14,950 20,295
East Indian 32,370 25,760 6,615
Vietnamese 25,605 21,650 3,955
Arab, not included elsewhere 21,545 15,835 5,710
Russian 20,495 7,155 13,345
Ukrainian 20,050 8,035 12,010
Filipino 18,985 16,050 2,935
Belgian 18,695 5,935 12,760
Armenian 18,445 13,710 4,735
Romanian 17,315 11,500 5,815
Moroccan 16,130 10,495 5,640
American (USA) 15,520 2,045 13,470
 
The above groups have been coexisting peacefully for decades on the same streets (not segregated like some of the barb-wired sections of Paris) because the government has been maintaining a zero tolerance policy against racism for decades.  The laws concerning racism are extremely strict, and more importantly, enforced.  Complaints of racism at work, by a landlord, etc, are taken very seriously, and dealt with.  Does a government have to be rich to enact certain laws and enforce them?
 
When I see rampant racism in any part of the world, I don't blame the people as much as the governments.
 


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Yes rot is always from top to bottom. A policeman overlooking a beating, the police service not disciplining and punishing the policeman, the courts not convicting are all such rot, simply empowering the law breakers. Racist or not. Govt dont have to be rich. Look at Cuba, where the Govt follows the policy of preventative action in all spheres of governance. So prevention of crime, decline in health etc.. It works.

There will be the Ivan's of this world who are born with a natural disposition towards violence and chaos. Law enforcement is the answer.
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Best way to combat racism is prosperity. Properous people don't fight, its kind of hard on the china and silverware. Which is why you have Toronto. However in cases of clear exclusion, like paris, you have the ghettos.

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 10:00
Originally posted by pinguin

Racism can start spontaneously in 6 years old kids, even without the parends encouraging it. All it needed is to put a strange looking boy in a homogenous group, and reactions can happens.
 
Racism is hardwired into human instincts (and in animals, too). It comes from the ancient times when someone that look different was a risk for your life. Is a primitive tendency of man, like many others we have and that are moderated by education.
 
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Racial tolerance and genuine curiosity can start spontaniously in an isolated community encountering foriegners for the first time.
 
There's nothing hardwired about it, it's purely the local culture that has developed.
 
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 11:36
Properous people don't fight


Is that why rich countries often went to war with each other in the past?

As to the topic question, elimiating chauvinism would go a long way me thinks. Problem is some people are just too addicted to it to let it go.
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Rich countries are something different, peoples are something different.
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:10
you cant rid the world of rascism any more than one wants to elimate the world of d*ckheads, some people are just born/raised that way
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:19
I agree with Leonidas.Rascism and corruption cannot be eliminated.They can be de-escalated.
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Originally posted by Sparten

Best way to combat racism is prosperity. Properous people don't fight, its kind of hard on the china and silverware. Which is why you have Toronto. However in cases of clear exclusion, like paris, you have the ghettos.



This is very, very true. Thanks for pointing it out, Sparten.
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Originally posted by Sparten

Best way to combat racism is prosperity. Properous people don't fight, its kind of hard on the china and silverware. Which is why you have Toronto. However in cases of clear exclusion, like paris, you have the ghettos.

 
Couldn't disagree more, your statement seems to be a generalization. The prosperous well to do white farmers in Africa and America were racist. They burned and hanged Negroes for sport. Sometimes it is the power and influence wielded from money that is responsible for the spread of evil. Any news network would tell us that.
 
Money and prosperity works both ways. it can be an exclusive or an inclusive prosperity. That exclusivity is generally kept in place by use or threat of violence.
 


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  Quote Emperor Barbarossa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 13:52
Originally posted by Spartakus

I agree with Leonidas.Rascism and corruption cannot be eliminated.They can be de-escalated.

Exactly, ignorance and bigotry cannot be eliminated. However, as aforementioned, with proper education, racism can be de-escalated.

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There is only one way to eliminate racism: intermarriage and assimilation.
 
Societies should combat racism through the integration of the outsiders into the local communities. One of the worst mistakes a country can do is that, instead of promoting intermarryage and assimilation promotes "diversity". I mean, that racist and segregationist dogma called Multiculturalism, that put every people in its hole.
 
The so call "celebration" of diversity is precisely what form and mantain isolated groups inside a society.
 
Let's put these in other terms. In the U.S. there is a society for whites and a society for blacks, a culture for whites and a culture for blacks, an heritage for each one, and a history for each one. That way the U.S. will never be ONE country but two or more parallel societies.
 
Brazil, on the other side, is a country where intermarryage is widespread. In there you find Blacks, White, Amerindians, and all theirs combinations in all degrees, living together in the poor and middle classes neighbourhood without big deal. In Brazil there are Whites that pray to Yemanja and practise Candomble, and Blacks who sind Fado and go to the Catholic church. And boths have traditional Indian foods for meals. All people share the same culture, and theirs pride is to be Brazilian.
 
The U.S. is a rich country and Brazil is still poor. But I got the impression people in Brazil accept themselves better, and are even happier.
 
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 15:00
Pinguin's solution sounds the most fun, however, you can't exactly force people to do that, and Brazil isn't exactly a bastion of equality either.
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  Quote Emperor Barbarossa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 21:06
Originally posted by pinguin

Let's put these in other terms. In the U.S. there is a society for whites and a society for blacks, a culture for whites and a culture for blacks, an heritage for each one, and a history for each one. That way the U.S. will never be ONE country but two or more parallel societies.

I live in the United States, and there is no "great divide" between whites and blacks. Sure, there are neighborhoods dominated by whites, and some dominated by blacks, but there are many neighborhoods will you will find both living in harmony. Your view of America is a more similar to what America was like during the Age of Segregation.

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