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    Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 12:47
At DW, a lot of people also decided to ignore the Nazis too, now look what happened. Will we let history repeat itself? Should we allow the sheep to flock to Hitler (i.e Beck) without even trying to reason with them?

I know Opuslola is a lost cause, but I'm sure some can still be saved.
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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 13:15
I think your citizen's response represents well the ignorance of US citizens. I opened a thread about the US and Muslim history with hope of decreasing ignnarcance with facts from history. Our ignorance is shameful.

Did you begin this thread with the Barbary Wars? It was our first major contact the Islamic world as a young nation.

Is it ignorance or poliical correctness?

What one might call Islamphobic I call islamorealism.

Furthermore, the Christian history of the treatment of women is not that good. The problem begins with the stroy of Adam and Eve. This story is told differently in the Quaran and I like the difference
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/335-womennorights .   My grandmother was a teacher and she could not buy a home without a man signing for her. Fortunately she was a white woman, and not a black slave with a Christian slave ower. Come on women's liberation is not that far away. Sexism and what Christianity has to do with it is a whole different subject, but your attempt to bask Obama by bashing Islam and Muslims is not cool.   It is not complete truth, and becomes destorted truth equal to a lie.

Hmmmmm!
Why do you divert the topic by trying to dig up the evils and errors of Christianity? Slavery in some Muslim nations continued into the 1990's. The abolition movement was heavily influenced by Christianity but nowhere has there been an abolition movement is Islam that compares to what happened in the west. Women in Western First world nations have more freedom today than since the ancient Minoan cultures but other than Turkey look at the Islamic world today.   

I am not sure what you mean by this - attempt to bask Obama-??? I have spent time in a Muslim country and yes most are good people and only want to survive like the rest of us. Still, there is a segment of their population who want to force Sharia law on the world and restore the Caliphate to rule a pan Islamic Empire- Isamorealism. Some liberals are so blinded by their addiction to multi culturalism that they do not see the real threat if the hit them in the rear.

Is it Islamorealism or bashing- look at current event and then study history. Maybe this will help you with history!

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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 13:23
I looked at the first post by good ole Spartakus and we all have really gone off topic and I said we all have.

I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic. Maybe it can be Islam and freedom or whatever.
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  Quote DreamWeaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 14:35
I dont see Opusola invading the Sudatenland any time soon.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 16:36
Alabama Yes! Sudatenland, Never! It is college football season isn't it?

Regards to all of you! And thanks for the good words Carol, and eaglecap, and that irritating little insect, Mosquito!

And thanks for the reparte' DW and TGS, etal.! It has been good and I hope, good natured fun!

But, as always, I could well be wrong since I am somewhat of a "Madman!", and "hopeless cause!"
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I really think the women's right issue that got mixed up with religion, should be in a separate thread.  Historically when people have plenty of food and life is relatively easy, women are treated well.  When life is hard, women have not been treated well, regardless of the religion.   When credit Christianity with all we value and enjoy, it is just wrong.  This is erroneous idea of what Christianity has done for us, prevents us from understanding truth, and from having any rational discussion of democracy.

Jefferson wrote of Laws and Nature and Nature's God.  He got this understanding of the Laws of Nature from Cicero and others also influenced by Cicero and other ancient Greek and Roman documents.  This is a completely different world view from any religion gives us, and this different world view is essential to democracy.  Judaism is not God's truth, and neither are the religions built on Judaism, Christian or Islam.  Christians practiced throwing stones and slavery, as did Muslims practice throwing stones and slavery.  Saying one religion is better than the other, is just wrong.  What made our lives better and lead to democracy is the Greek and Roman classics.  A democracy demands truth as it is understood through a study of nature.  All our ideas of human rights, comes from the ancient understanding of nature and humans, not religion based on a humanized God who has favorites and rule by whim depending on if He is pleased or not.  If you are going to discuss democracy, we must shed religions notions, and get to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the humanities. 

To understand modern democracies and NAZI of Fascist Germany we must understand
  In the past, personal and political liberty depended to a considerable extant upon government inefficiency.  The spirit of tyranny was always more than willing; but its organization and material equipment were generally weak.  Progressive science and technology have changed all this completely.    Aldous Huxley 


German bureaucracy is Prussian military bureaucracy applied to citizens.  This is what makes social programs like Social Security possible.  Numbering citizens as we do with Social Security cards, and computers, are essential to the modern democratic governments.  The computer began with cards coded with holes and sorted with something like a knitting needle.   We need to understand this technological development to also understand the power of the government above us.  Forget Hitler, it is the progressive science and technology, including the evolved technology of bureaucratic organization, that means we are no longing living in the democracy of our forefathers.  Can anyone put what I have said in his own words, so we might discuss what is really important to the question of this thread?  


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 18:55
If I might be so rude, I would suggest that our current President Obama, owes his election to "Women!" Women, and especially non-African American Women, provided the greatest lift to his victory!

Do you Carol, now feel used and abused?

Or, are you happy how things have turned out?

By now, all arrows of injustice that have in the past been shot at the Bush's, have run out! This current problem is now the very heart of President Obama and his advisors! He has, in the vernacular "shot his wad" and it did not work!

His extreem supporters like TGS, are mad at him because they feel he has let them down!

His extreem opponents, now point the finger of blame upon him and his "progressive" and failed policies!

Just what can we expect this man to do next? Should he renounce his failed policies, or should he again go back to Bush, and blame him and his Republican cronies?

And, as the esteemed TGS wrote earlier;

"I know Opuslola is a lost cause, but I'm sure some can still be saved." Just what does TGS propose to do with those of us who cannot be saved? It is attitides like that that scare me, and other like me!

Those words sound so very Maoist, or Pol Potist!

Just what are those that are "unsaved" to expect?

I would like to ask TGS, or rather he/she is nothing more than a group of teen-aged students, who band together to post "progressive" or "extreem Liberal" sound bites into numerous inter-net sites!

I rather think TGS is a group (think tank) rather than a person!


Regards Madame!

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You are delusional. Obama has been President for less than two years, he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression and Republicans are blocking every effort to fix it...

And you still blame Obama? You're blind to the truth because you dont like the fact that a black man is in charge. Simple truth. Go to another one of your racist neo-Nazi Tea Parties and cry about it.




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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2010 at 16:46
As you and your high-school must know, I never really supported either Bush, rather I voted against the worst candidate, which just seems to always be a Democrat!

I am for voting out "EVERYONE!", do ya'll get it?

Republicans, Independents, Democrats, Socialists, etc.!

The entire bunch, which is ultimately responsable for the situation that we are in!

Could your group of high school friends also vote them all out? Even if you were old enough to vote?

And, if the above is insulting, then it is your problem! You have never revealed anything about your self, if there really is a self, and thus I can refer to you as a group of High School students, if I want!

Honesty is usually the best policy! Which is something we have not seen from most politicians for the last 40 or so years!

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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 17:55
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Originally posted by opuslola



Then, it appears that the great intellect calling him/her self "TGS", has very little regard for his less than intellectual fellow citizens and neighbors! How sad, TGS must really be a lonely person?


I have no respect for people who choose to be dumb, correct. Thats a choice. No one is less intellectual than anyone else, some choose to better themselves through education, others choose to lie to themselves and keep themselves misinformed.

Thats atleast 40% of the US population.LOL
 
This is why we must educate for an understanding democracy.  The folks who are dying now, beccause of their age, had a good understanding of the importance of being well informed, and of the danger of ignorance. 
 
For example, we are about to exhaust the world's supply of phosphorus.  Within 50 years, fertilizer manufactors will no longer have high quality phosphorus, as the supply will be exhausted.  There will only be low quality phosphorus left.  Much of this is contaminated with radium and other elements we don't want to add to our food, but all life, the very structure of DNA for plant and animal live, depends on it, so if all that is left is bad quality phosphorus, it will enter our food chain.  In the meantime we are using phosphorus for many things besides food, like laundry soap.  This is pretty serious ignorance.  So is deforesting regions serious ignorance, of over populating areas and consuming much more water than nature can replace fast enough.  People who pay no attention to science, but instead study their holy books, are a seriously threat to our survival today.  This was not so in the past, when the human population was small and nature provided more than enough of everything.  Today, with large and growing populations and the exhaustion of resources, ignorance is a world wide survival problem.  This is what we must get people to understand and the connection between this reality and democracy.   40% of the world's population can destroy the planet if they have enough money and power to use finite resources in ways we should not use them.  
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 18:24
So Athena, just what benefit of our society are you willing to give up or pay much more for? Cheap energy? Cheap water? Cheap food? Cheap Oil/gas? Cheap paper? Cheap computers? Cheap TV's, Cheap booze?, Cheap dope?, etc.?

It is either the above, or consider the elimination of at least 40% of the population of the world? At least that seems to be the only alternative!

Should we all move into high-rise apartment buildings near the center of our towns and cities? Should we let our estates in the country revert to either farmland or forests? Should we dig up our highways and get rid of currency and revert to a trade society? Should we give up gas guzzling airplanes? If we give up highways, and Airplanes, just how do we travel?

From where comes the money to build efficent railroads, where rail lines have been torn up for the last 50 years or so?

Do we heat each other in the winter by snuggling? Do we cool ourselves in the summer by going naked and staying in the shade? Do we make our own rain barrels to collect rain-water for drinking? What happens if there is a drought? What happens if there is a big storm or earth quake, or volcanic eruption?

Do we shut down mental retardation centers and concentrate on the manufacture of "soylent green?"

What if, what if?

You see there are no "serious" alternatives!

There only exists problems too big to comprehend!

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fXXK,do u know how hardlife living in china?u will know why we need democracy like water
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Originally posted by black11122

fXXK,do u know how hardlife living in china?u will know why we need democracy like water

I think we can understand where you're coming from black11122, and I agree that the democratic process, not strictly democracy, is more conducive to a more fulfilling existence.Smile  
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