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QueenCleopatra
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Topic: Your favourite ancient relgion Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 09:38 |
Since this is the area in which I hope to specialise once I get my degree I thought it would be interesting to see what areas of Ancient religion and death rituals interested everyone. Include any interesting pictures and arcticles if you have them.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 10:45 |
My own preference, surprisingly enough, is for Ancient Egyptian Relgion and Ways of death in particular.
The passage to the next was an elaborate mix of mythology and earthly preparation in that the deceased could pass safely from the Tomb to Eternity with the blessings of the Gods.
But what I love most are the beautiful objects associated with death and burial and the afterlife.
This is the Sarcophogus of the Princess Maakre from the reign of the Pharaoh Pinedjem I. Coffins were generally anthropod in shape and had funerery sence depicted on them as well as images of the Gods such as Anubis , the Jackal headed God of Embalming and the two protectoresses Isis and Nephyths with their outstreched wings.
Possibly Egypt's most enduring and iconic and beautiful images the death mask of Tutankhamun has shown to the world the extent the Egyptians were willing to go to to ensure safe passage to the afterlife. It also gives tantalising ideas as to what may have been in the even more important Pharaoh's tombs such as Rameses II. Such masks would have allowed the deceased spirit to recognise its body in the next life.
This is a Canopic Jar from the tomb of INPUHOTEP of the Middle Kingdom. These jars were used to hold the deceased's organs eg Liver Kidneys etc and other Viscera which removed during the Embalming. It was vital for the enitre body to remain intact so that the person was whole in the afterlife. For this reason embalming envolved the dehyrdration of the body with Natron and removing all the wet organs except the heart. The lids usually represented the four sons of Horus Imstey ( the man) , Duamutef ( the Jackal), Hapy( the ape) and Quebusef ( The Falcon) but could also depicted the head of the deceased person
This beautiful little Shabti figure comes from the tomb of Huy. These little figures were servants statues who came to life by means of a prayer or spell engraved on them and did all the deceased's work in the next world. They often came in stes of 365 and some even had their own little coffins like this example.
From the examples in Tuts tomb we can assume that Guardian statues were common place in elite tombs to ensure the deceased was protected fom intursion natural and unnatural.
Because the next life would just like the last except more enjoyable the deceased person would all the things that in this life made him happy and comfortable. Fpr this reason personal effects such as chairs, jewellary and even games were placed in the tomb with the dead. And in Tuts cases his two tiny still born baby girls accompanied Daddy to the next life.
Edited by QueenCleopatra - 11-Oct-2006 at 10:54
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 11:59 |
Go Norse! There is something very epic about Norse mythology; of knowing that the the gods will be defeated at Ragnarok, and yet they will go out and fight anyway!
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 12:02 |
I like that custom in ancient Babylon where once a year or once in a life time all women have to give herself to a man in a temple out of devotion to a certain goddess.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 12:20 |
I voted for other with that I mean I voted for shamanism/tengrism(not because of my background okay mabey a bit)
recently I heard the acient nomads of the east didn"'t believed in good or baad right or wrong.
no heaven nor hell. just the sky.
the sky tengri said live life till it's fullest no regrets.(mabey this is why so mant turks ae pragmatic)
this was bad for the enemies
(plunder and pileage rape and slaughter was well not forbidden)
but cheat on your own wife(i think outside the campains and war) you got tide to 2 trees or 4 horses an got ripped apart.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 16:35 |
Norse for sure. The Havamal is filled with great advice and the message it sends from the stories of its Mythology is great. Its also Warriors religion. Fight all day and Drink all night.
Edited by Vikingrage - 11-Oct-2006 at 16:35
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 17:28 |
I believe MInoan is Greek.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 22:03 |
I am fond of Norse Mythology, it has inspired great many things. I also find the symbolism in aboriginal religion endearing. slight tilt towards aborignal, therefore voted other.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 00:32 |
I am very interested in what might have been the proto-religion which all others 'evolved' from. There are some very odd and striking similarities between certain legends in various cultures as divergent as the ancient Hebrews and the middle of Bolivia!
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 00:51 |
How many of these faiths survive to this day in some form or the other. Just curious.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 02:26 |
The ancient Greeks had fun with their gods. They were corrupt, they had tons of weaknesses and many mortals messed with them when they stood in their way and even won, like Ulysses and Poseidon
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 06:26 |
Originally posted by Vikingrage
Norse for sure. The Havamal is filled with great advice and the message it sends from the stories of its Mythology is great. Its also Warriors religion. Fight all day and Drink all night. |
Yeah, but there is not much in it for women, is there? I see no fun in spending eternity filling the cups of drunken louts with mead, and I cont sing so the Walkure job is out of the question.
I dont much like the Egyptian way of going. I so do not want to become some smelly creepy mummy... I want to decay and go back to the earth I belong to, no cremation or embalming for me...
With all the Hells and other Dark Underworlds around, I'd say being dead is no fun in whatever religion (I dont think Islam provides the three hundred virgins in male form, does it?), so for now I think I'll rather just live.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 08:16 |
Originally posted by macedon_
I believe MInoan is Greek. |
Nope its a separate thing altogether although the Greeks did eventually expand their empire( for want of a better word) to inculde Crete.
But for hundreds of years the Cretans had their own religion based , its believed, around the worship of a female diety - see my thread on the Minoan Mother Goddess.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 11:30 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Yeah, but there is not much in it for women, is there? I see no fun in spending eternity filling the cups of drunken louts with mead, and I cont sing so the Walkure job is out of the question.
I dont much like the Egyptian way of going. I so do not want to become some smelly creepy mummy... I want to decay and go back to the earth I belong to, no cremation or embalming for me...
With all the Hells and other Dark Underworlds around, I'd say being dead is no fun in whatever religion (I dont think Islam provides the three hundred virgins in male form, does it?), so for now I think I'll rather just live. |
Viking Woman probably had the most freedom of their time. They could own land, divorce whenever they wanted to, and when the Husband was away at war she ran the household and I beleive would even be called to the Allthing.
Woman wore Thors Pendants too, in the Havamal there is also some insight toward woman. There is one line that pretty much says, "Guys are liars, they just want to sleep with you." not even joking. Its somewhere in there.
Edited by Vikingrage - 12-Oct-2006 at 11:31
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 15:26 |
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 16:52 |
Why Persian stands with Babylon together? their beleives are very different.
Also i go for Persian ancient religion of Zarathustra.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 17:10 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
How many of these faiths survive to this day in some form or the other. Just curious.
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Norse mythology/religion survives in the form of Asatru (Norse
heathanism, the old way, Odins way, etc..). Some people put Asatru in
the same category as Neo-paganism and Wicca, but as a follower of
Asatru i feel differently
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Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 17:15 |
I think Turkic/Siberian beliefs, Native American beliefs and Aborigine beliefs as well as other beliefs from indigenous peoples around the world can all be classed under Traditional Animism.
After all Native American religion is not standardised and it would also give a fitting option to some of those who voted other given that these beliefs are fairly similar if culturally dissimilar.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 07:47 |
Sorry you are right confused religion with mythology for a second
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Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 07:55 |
Originally posted by Achilles
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
How many of these faiths survive to this day in some form or the other. Just curious.
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Norse mythology/religion survives in the form of Asatru (Norse
heathanism, the old way, Odins way, etc..). Some people put Asatru in
the same category as Neo-paganism and Wicca, but as a follower of
Asatru i feel differently
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Good. What is its philosophy ? BTW Asatru means Friend in Our languages.
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