Pirates of the Asia Pacific

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No really, i want make use of this post for ask about the Wo Ku attack to Nanking, 1550 more or less. I read that were a very strong invasion along the first 500 km of the Yang Ts�, but i can't find anymore in Internet.

Well for the personas that don't know the name of any asian piratic, a short information about three. Really, i don't now the name of anymore:

Asiatic Pirates attacks to spanish Philippines:

-Attack of Chinese Limahong (or Li Ma-hong), november of 1574: It is a very long story, and i write english very slow, so i only say the minimal information. The chinese, with 60 junks (25 very strong) and 4.000 men (or 25.000 in other sources) sack many villages near Manila, and then went to the capital. The Manila's fortress was very poor but 70 spanish and the inhabitants repulsed the first invasion; many importants spanish military died in the battle. Three days then, spanish reinforcement succeed cross the enemy lines and go into Manila. Siokon the japanese subordinate of Limahong (very dreaded by the spanish), was defeated near Manila when he was attacking a village; then Limahong furious took the command of the operations and try to assault Manila by third time, but the spanish won again.

Then happen many things but i don't have time. Summarize: the furious pirates leave Manila and seat in Pangasin�n. The spanish attack their in August with 250 spanish soldier (and then 50 spanish more), 2.500 christian tagals and 59 ships (prahos and galleons); two battles were fighted, first, the chinese lost 40 junks, three forts, many deads and 500 prisoner. Second, Limahong resist in the last fortress and a chinese embassor went to Philippines. The pirates don't want sourrender and resist with fire weapons, then the spanish started a very strong assault and kill to all chinese; but Limahong escape with a few men. Spanish gave the other 500 chinese prisoner to chinese embassor and this return to China with catholic monks and presents .

-Attack of the japanese Tayfusu (or Tay Fusa), 1580: 27 junks and 2.000 men go to Cagay�n and build a pirate village. Spanish captain Pedro Carri�n with 1 galleon and other 14 ships come from Manila; by the way, they get more reinforcement. The spanish army count 200 spanish soldier and many more christian tagals (1000 perhaps); arrived to Cagay�n they build a encampment.

Japanese pirates began the battle with a nocturnal attack two hours before dawn. The spanish win this fierce battle, but the reorganized japanese attack again at the morning, Tayfusu command the troops in middle of battle. A horrible battle was fighted, the japanese resist and don't want surrender, all they died in combat, include Tayfusu, and spanish win the battle without enemy prisoner in their hands. Then native (allied with japanese) attack to spanish, but this win a short battle, make a treaty with their and found a new village, Nueva Segovia.

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Interesting.  However what we were talking about was before the Europeans reached Asia.  In any case, it is interesting to read about the pirates of the east in any era.

In fact the Americans's first over sea military campaign was also an Islamic nation.  But it's in north Africa.

   i was just making a statement man...what do you mean i'm missing the point?

chill out

The dutch definately will think of him as a pirate.  He probably considered the dutch to be pirates.

There are many many many usage of pirates in Chinese literiture, tv historic soaps and even more in Chinese PC games.  Though often historically incorrect, and almost always claim the Japanese for everything when most of the time Chinese are the leaders.

Zheng ChengGong might not be considered pirate from Ming's perspective.  But it's not the perspective that's important, it's whether he did do deeds that of pirates.  For example, in England, very few will say those were pirates that led the British fleet to defeat the Spanish.  But they were pirates.  They were pirates ordered to rob from the Spanish and then ordered to protect the island. 

I think Zheng probably was a pirate in Qing's perspective.

You might have a point there, at least as far as Chinese literature is concerned.

Traditionally, despite its maritime trade, Chinese had some aversion to the waters.  Becoming a sailor was not considered a desirable profession.

Ah, I remembered at least one Chinese pirate, Zhang Bao Zai, from HK TV and movie.

Yes, I think the Wo Kou also left piracy as a very bad taste in the Chinese psyche.

There are few or no historical role models of pirates who left any positive image, not as freedom fighters opposing the governments, unlike Outlaws of the Marsh.

Coxinga was not usually considered as a pirate in Chinese history but as an admiral for the Ming dynasty.