Greatest Rulers

Originally posted by Dari It was a vacuum of despair.

No it wasn't. Your post shows clearly that you are ignorant of the subject. So, go to learn and stop saying stupidities. 

If you want, I can help you

 

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Originally posted by Tobodai I highly doubt you can critically evaluate my knowledge base from a single sentance which you have not factually debunked in any way but to deny.

Tobodai, I didn't evaluate your knowledge base. I just wrote that your sentence ("Timurs Persia was just a vacuum of death.") was completely and undoubtedly wrong.

It was certainly more a "vacuum of deaths" after the massacres of gengis khan. Moslem historians (like Seify or Djuvaini) estimated massacres of gengis khan:  Merv 700 000 dead at least, Herat 1 600 000!

Gengis Khan was worse because he wanted to destroy the agricultural and urban life. On the contrary, Timur wanted to improve the economy.

The geographe Yaqut or the traveller Ibn Battuta have described the situation of Iran after gengis khan:  disastrous... 

Many specialized historians (like J.P. Roux) think that on the contrary, Timur improved the situation of Iran.

During the reign of Timur, there were many cities of more than 100 000 inhabitants and all these cities paid taxes to Timur regularly. 

 

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Originally posted by ihsan And he still destroyed many towns

Absolutly not. Gengis khan yes, because he wanted to eliminate the urban life. On the contrary, Timur, wanted to improve the urban life and the economy in order to tax the cities regularly.

No city was destroyed.  It's a myth.

If not the cities would not have rebelled after its passage. If not the cities would not have paid tax regularly after its passage. If not, today, there would be no monuments built before his reign in these cities.

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No city was destroyed.  It's a myth.

That is a big lie! He destroyed many towns! Are you living in Dreamland?!

if i remember right, the aghlabids conquered sicily in 827 and held it until the normans came in 1085. there are apparently still some mosque ruins from the 900's that can still be seen today at taoromina.....

muhammed united arabia in shortest time and treat all tribes fairly and in ghadeer-khum he proclimed ali as successor

Originally posted by ihsan No city was destroyed.  It's a myth. That is a big lie! He destroyed many towns! Are you living in Dreamland?!

You are right, he really destroyed lots of villages and forced lots of tribes to leave their cities. because of all this pressure of Timur, lots of Turkmens, Uzbeks and other Turkic tribes had to immigrate to Anatolia and Iran.

But on the other hadn, he helped the Anatolian Bey's to regain their power against Ottoman Empire, and Anatolian Turkmens were on their side, so my feelings about him are too complicated...

Originally posted by ihsan Umawwids: (can't decide)

Umar Bin Abd Al-Aziz.

 

Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter The greatest ruler and teacher was prophet muhammed after him his cousin ali

Muhammed is a prophet not a ruler. This two is different thing.

And Ali,Even All muslims love Ali, But I dont think we can called him as a Ruler.

Because He didnt have chance to rule much.

 

 

 

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