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Topic: Greatest Rulers Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 09:57 |
Who were the greatest rulers of the Islamic World, according to your opinion?
IMO, the greatest rulers were these (please add the states I forget; these are the major ones):
The Four Caliphs: Caliph Umar
Umawwids: (can't decide)
Abbsids: Caliph Hrnu'r-Rashd
Seljkids: Most would say Sultn Malk Shh, but I say Sultn Tughrul Begh
Qara-Khanids: Again, most would say Satuq Bughra Khan, but I remember reading about a just, good and powerful ruler named Ismil
Gaznawids: Mahmd I (definitially)
Ottomans: The majority claims Sultn Sleymn I as the greatest ruler of the Ottomans, but I think Sultn Mehmed II was greater than him
Ayybids: Definitially Sultn Salha'd-dn
Mamlks: Sultn Baybars of course
Safavids: Shh Abbs I
Kharezm-Shhs: Qutba'd-dn Muhammed, perhaps...
Tulunids: Ahmed Ibn Tulun
Uhm, you continue There are also large and important Islamic states such as the Smnids, Ftmids, Aghlbids, Grids, Delhi Sultanate, etc but I don't know much about them
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 10:09 |
Ottomans: The majority claims Sultn Sleymn I as the greatest ruler of the Ottomans, but I think Sultn Mehmed II was greater than him |
My favourite is Sultan Mahmud II.
Also Bayazid was successfull.
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 13:41 |
BDOnt forget Mughals! Babur and Akbar!
Baybars has always been my favorite though!
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 15:43 |
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"Seljkids: Most would say Sultn Malk Shh, but I say Sultn Tughrul Begh "
I agree with you, but I think Tughrul Beg real name was ,
Han Tughrul Beg , later he got extra names due to that he " rescued" the caliph of bagdad.
He got the name , extended/ lofty Sultan , king of east and west ,
Han, meaning Khan ,
His real name was
Han Tughrul Beg , Extended Sultan , King of East and West
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 15:47 |
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" Kharezm-Shhs: Qutba'd-dn Muhammed, perhaps "
Is Qutba'd din Muhammed an early Shah of Khwarazm ??? , are you refering to the pre-khwarazm Shah with Jalal ad din and co
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 15:47 |
I like Sultan Mehmet too ,
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 09:05 |
Kharezm-Shhs: Qutba'd-dn Muhammed, perhaps... |
Jalaladdin...
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 01:35 |
Why the hell didn't you mention Nader Shah, the Persian/Iranized Turkmen, called the Iranian Napolean or second Cyrus?
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 06:12 |
He was a great conqueror but not much of a ruler. He was oppressive, intolerant and a massmurderer.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 14:41 |
yeah and his lands were basicaly under anarchy with him as head.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 15:09 |
Originally posted by Mast
He was a great conqueror but not much of a ruler. He was oppressive, intolerant and a massmurderer. |
Not always a true statement to base on Nader Shah. He tried to reconcile the Shiites and the Sunnis into one, if one joined the military, they were exempted from taxes and labours And he is considered to be the last great Asian conqueror for the next three hundreds years of history.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 16:44 |
For me, the ten greatest islamic rulers were (with one ruler for one empire):
-Timur Leng. The best general of history and a fantastic ruler (economy, law, art, etc ...)
-Babur.
-Iltutmish. The best ruler for the sutanate of Delhi and one of the best rulers in the Indian history.
-Mahmud of Ghazni.
-Bay Bars.
-Mehmed II.
-Al Mansour (for the Abbassids).
-Abbas the Great.
-Tughrul Beg.
-Ismal I (for the Samanids).
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 00:24 |
Ishmail the Great was a Persian wasn't he?
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 07:55 |
-Timur Leng. The best general of history and a fantastic ruler (economy, law, art, etc ...) |
I can not really say he was a fantastic ruler. He might've been if he
sticked himself to conquering, not genocide and pillaging OVER the
amount that was normal at that time. He brought Persia back a few
centuries.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 08:48 |
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Ishmail the Great was a Persian wasn't he? |
Ismal I was a Samanid. Therefore he was a persian, a muslim persian.
Originally posted by Mast
He brought Persia back a few centuries.
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That's completely false. On the contrary, he tried to put right Persia which had been devastated by the mongols.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 21:47 |
no, he davasted it much more. At least the Mongols set up the Ilkhanate, Timurs Persia was just a vacuum of death.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 06:00 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
Timurs Persia was just a vacuum of death. |
You are wrong. I recommend you to learn about that instead of just to repeat this kind of stupidity.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 14:08 |
Timur surely devastated many lands, Iran was just one of them.
Is Qutba'd din Muhammed an early Shah of Khwarazm ??? , are you refering to the pre-khwarazm Shah with Jalal ad din and co |
He was the son of Anush Tegin, founder of the Turkish Khrezm-Shh dynasty. However, I switch my mind; I think Ala'd-dn Tekish was the greatest Khrezm-Shh ruler (just read my article).
Jalla'd-dn? That fool who kept waging un-succesful wars? Definitially not the greatest Khrezm-Shh, when compared with Ala'd-dn Tekish
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Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 18:15 |
Originally posted by ihsan
Timur surely devastated many lands, Iran was just one of them. |
Yes, but it wasn't "just a vacuum of death" like Tobodai wrote
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Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 18:48 |
It was a vacuum of despair. You know nothing of Iran or Iranian history.
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