Mexico Threatens to Take the USA Before the UN

So, instead of wasting money building a wall, why can't our leaders strengthen border guarding instead?

Originally posted by Genghis I find it outrageous that the Mexican government has the audacity to tell the American government what it can or cannot do on its own territory.  America has the right to put a gigantic river of fire or millions of landmines on our southern border if we so desire.  I'm sure however this will get nowhere in the UN, the wall's construction is pretty much inevitable now, and anything in the UN would be vetoed by the United States.  Whether or not you agree with the construction of the wall, I'm sure most people would agree that any country should be allowed to construct such walls around its territory.   Any other opinions?

DukeC,

There is no invasion. People don't flee to another country to bring the same conditions that forced them out in the first place.

Again, a well-funded guard should keep people out. Now let's see if Republicans have the courage to spend the money for it.

but if America doesn't enforce it's borders, it won't exist in it's present form for very long.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Those folders clearly say that people'd better not cross the border, but that if they do it, they should take safety precautions and the folder explains which. To present this as an endorsment of the Mexican government for an 'invasion' into the United States is a strong distortion of the facts.

Originally posted by Genghis Originally posted by Mixcoatl Those folders clearly say that people'd better not cross the border, but that if they do it, they should take safety precautions and the folder explains which. To present this as an endorsment of the Mexican government for an 'invasion' into the United States is a strong distortion of the facts. Even that is basically aiding people crossing into this country. The Mexican government should tell their citizens to not cross into the United States, and that is it. I also hate how the Mexicans are acting so offended at the principle of the wall when in the end this is nothing more than them fearing the loss of remittances home that are a great aid to their economy. I appreciate your understaning on this DukeC.

Genghis, your back! I thought that you were gone for good from this thread. I never heard back from my comments on this thread, so please inform me now.

First, please tell me why do you insist on a wall instead of a fully funded border patrol. A fully funded border patrol does the job. A wall doesn't. A wall is a waste of money in this regard if you still need the patroling. If you can get the job done with the patrol, why not choose the cheaper, more respectful way of securing the border?

Also, there seems to be that you have a problem with Mexicans. Please explain why. I am sure that you may hold some misunderstandings that I would be glad to clarify.

Finally, share your ethinic background with all of us.     That way it will be easier for us to see how similar our people are.     

Genghis, your back! I thought that you were gone for good from this thread

I'm not insisting on a wall, I'm insisting that if America wants to, it has every right to build a wall.  I'm also saying that a wall, if it is intended to enforce American law, is not an insult to Mexicans.  It is insulting however, that Mexico has the nerve to tell the American government what it can or cannot build on American soil.

Also, there seems to be that you have a problem with Mexicans. Please explain why. I am sure that you may hold some misunderstandings that I would be glad to clarify.

Edited by Genghis - 17-Oct-2006 at 00:37

Originally posted by Genghis Originally posted by Mixcoatl Those folders clearly say that people'd better not cross the border, but that if they do it, they should take safety precautions and the folder explains which. To present this as an endorsment of the Mexican government for an 'invasion' into the United States is a strong distortion of the facts.   Even that is basically aiding people crossing into this country.  The Mexican government should tell their citizens to not cross into the United States, and that is it.   I also hate how the Mexicans are acting so offended at the principle of the wall when in the end this is nothing more than them fearing the loss of remittances home that are a great aid to their economy.   I appreciate your understaning on this DukeC.

Originally posted by Genghis Originally posted by Mixcoatl Those folders clearly say that people'd better not cross the border, but that if they do it, they should take safety precautions and the folder explains which. To present this as an endorsment of the Mexican government for an 'invasion' into the United States is a strong distortion of the facts. Even that is basically aiding people crossing into this country.  The Mexican government should tell their citizens to not cross into the United States, and that is it.

Edited by Aelfgifu - 17-Oct-2006 at 05:31

Originally posted by Genghis Genghis, your back! I thought that you were gone for good from this thread No, I've just had some midterms and couldn't hang around here as much as I'd like. First, please tell me why do you insist on a wall instead of a fully funded border patrol. A fully funded border patrol does the job. A wall doesn't. A wall is a waste of money in this regard if you still need the patroling. If you can get the job done with the patrol, why not choose the cheaper, more respectful way of securing the border? I'm not insisting on a wall, I'm insisting that if America wants to, it has every right to build a wall. I'm also saying that a wall, if it is intended to enforce American law, is not an insult to Mexicans. It is insulting however, that Mexico has the nerve to tell the American government what it can or cannot build on American soil. Also, there seems to be that you have a problem with Mexicans. Please explain why. I am sure that you may hold some misunderstandings that I would be glad to clarify. [IMG]http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" align=middle> I have no problem with Mexicans, you merely like to think so. Finally, share your ethinic background with all of us.     That way it will be easier for us to see how similar our people are. [IMG]http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" align=middle> I find that question insulting and will not give you the fodder for whatever logic you were planning to create out of it. If the reasons you think a wall is insulting are valid, you should be able to convince me whether I'm white, black, or purple.

Genghis,

We agree that the U.S. can do anything it wants. And no one can stop it from doing a wrong such as raising this wall. I also believe that the wall is a waste of money when it won't work. And if there are cheaper, more effective, and more respectful ways to solve the problem--this is, a well funded patrol of the border--we should use that. Do you agree on this or not?

Second, I sense that you understand the insulting nature of the wall, since you have been consistently defensive about being the U.S. being judge by its actions. Yet you yourself spare no country your own moral judgements, followed by request to invade or bomb other countries. So you obviously do believe that it is fine for people in other parts of the world to criticize the actions of other countries.

It seem to me that you don't want to be criticized on the wall because you sense that it is an insult, and people will judge the U.S. as making a wrong, and you don't want to hear that. So why don't you ahead with your moral intuition and recognize the wall as a moral mistake, and openly support a well-funded border patrol instead?

You seem to have a tendency for wanting an enemy to hate. And to hate them, you must dehumanize people first. You see enemies all over the world. For some reason, you decided to pick on Mexicans as your current enemies.

If you are not aware of your prejudice against Mexicans, I am letting you know that you are prejudiced. You want to believe the worst from Mexico and Mexicans. You already stated how you "hated" how Mexicans don't want to inforce immigration laws so that the country can receive money.

Even more, you misinterpreted a quote from Mixcoatl where he clearly said that the Mexican government encourages people not to cross the border to say that their material encourages people to cross the border.

You seem inclined to believe that there is some kind of "invasion" from Mexicans to the U.S.

And more importantly, there seems to be an unwillingness to change your mind about these ideas even after many people show them to be false.

You seem like a nice, good person, so I appeal to that side of you to reject these prejudices about Mexicans. Prejudices tend to creep up on all of us, so once in a while we must flush incorrect assumptions out


Why do I ask about your ethnic background? Because it matters in terms of empathy. You seem to sense that this is the direction that I want to take. You are right. From what I know about you, I would say that you are either Scots Irish or German. I will proceed with this assumption until you correct me.


The Scots Irish have suffered discrimination in the U.S. since their arrival. Up to this day, they are commonly refered as "trash." They came to this country, just like the Mexicans today, to search for a better life. Not only that, but they pushed into the west as pioneers. Even in the 1930 many left Eastern states to go to California, where they were again greeted with ethinc hatred.

Did they did this for fun? No. They did it for necessity. They would never have left Scotland to begin with if they didn't need to. They wouldn't have left Ireland either. Nor would they have left the East Coast.

Now, today Mexicans come here propelled by the same force that pushed the Scots Irish across the continent: economic need.

If you are in fact Scots Irish, ponder on how our people are similar in this manner, ponder how painful it has been to be butt of jokes, and live through social rejection, yet having to put up with it because of economic need.

Use this example to understand how Mexicans immigrants and Scots Irish are very similar in their history and experience, and that this common history unites us.

You can still seek border enforcement, but strive to do it in a respectful way, the way one would have wished they had treated our ancestors. And a fully funded border enforcement corps is what the respectful solution to this is.