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Topic: Turkic etymology Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 01:54 |
A comparative Altaic linguistics.
Edited by gok_toruk - 12-Nov-2006 at 12:36
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 01:58 |
Proto - Altaic: epo
Meaning: to kill, kill
Old Turkic: ab (hunt, chase)
Modern Turkic: aw
Mongolian: aba
Tungus-Manchu: wa (=eba)
Japanese: op
Comments: Manchu 'ebte ǵaxun' ('hunting bird'; perhaps preserving the original shape of the root *eb(a)-, that has elsewhere been irregularly reduced to *ewā- > *wā-).
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 05:52
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:01 |
Proto - Altaic: eba
Meaning: to join, meet
Turkic: ab (to crowd, to come together)
Mongolian: aula
Tungus-Manchu: ebure
Korean: abor
Japanese: ap
Comments: An attempt of Doerfer to disprove Ramstedt's etymology (by supposing *h- in Mong.) is unsuccessful. Korean has a low tone, typical for the verbal subsystem.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:04 |
Proto - Altaic: ap
Meaning: to take
Old Turkic: abuch (handful)
Modern Turkic: owuch; uwus
Mongolian: abi
Tungus-Manchu: abqu
Comments: *abuč (*abut) cannot be regarded as a variant of *adu[ĺ] (on which see under alda - although the two roots could have influenced each other. The closed vowel in PT is not quite clear (under the influence of the two following labial phonemes?).
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:07 |
Proto - Altaic: apuchi
Meaning: elder in-law
Old Turkic: abuch-qa (1 husband, old man 2 foster-mother 3 elder sister
4 uncle)
Modern Turkic: awuchqa (word may be derived from *aba 'elder in the mother's line' + -č.
Mongolian: (h)abisu-n
Tungus-Manchu: abusi
Comments: Mong. has -s- (instead of the expected *-č-) probably because of a fusion with the productive suffix -su(n).
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 05:57
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:11 |
Proto - Altaic: abu
Meaning: interior of the mouth
Old Turkic: aburt (1 cheek-pouch, inside of the mouth 2 gum 3 mouthful, gulp 4 cheek 5 molar 6 to take a mouthful, swallow)
Modern Turkic: owrut; urt(a) (The Old Uyghur form, in inscriptions, is poorly readable, so -đ- (odurt) is dubious. Yakut -m- (omurt) is irregular: could it be a trace of Proto - Altaic *um 'drink', otherwise lost in Turkic?
Mongolian: owchi
Tungus-Manchu: (x)abu-wan
Comments: ---------------------
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:13 |
Proto - Altaic: ach
Meaning: to open, split up
Turkic: ach
Mongolian: (h)acha
Tungus-Manchu: pach
Comments: -------------
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:17 |
Proto - Altaic: achaj / echej
Meaning: elder relative, ancestor
Old Turkic: echi, (Orkh.), ech (Orkhon, Old Uyghur.)
Modern Turkic: eche; acha
Tungus-Manchu: asi
Korean: acha
Comments: An expressive kinship "nursery" word with the typical structure *VCV; the root must have denoted some elder relative, both male and female. Deriving *asī from a Chinese or Sino-Korean source is quite impossible. The Mongolian reflexes are problematic: Mong. echei 'mother, elder sister' is probably < Turkic.; Mong. echige 'father' reflects rather Proto-Altaic ete . One should, however, note an isolated Dagur form achā 'father' whence certainly Solon ača id. and possibly Evenk ači 'ancestor' .
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:19 |
Proto - Altaic: ach
Meaning: blessing, favour
Turkic: achu (1 precious gift; wellbeing 2 to tend, make comfortable, be favourable 3 to pity, have compassion)
Mongolian: hachi
Comments: In modern Altaic languages, the root tends to be confused with *iachu- 'bitter, bitterness' , thus the Oghuz voicing may be a result of secondary contamination and not due to original vowel length; but the two roots are rather well distinguished in Old Turkic.
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:05
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:24 |
Proto - Altaic: eda
Meaning: silly, evil
Turkic: ada (1 danger 2 to endanger)
Mongolian: ada
Tungus-Manchu: ede
Japanese: anta
Comments: T he Japanese high tone seems to contradict the Manchu - Tungus length, but it may be secondary.
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:06
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:27 |
Proto - Altaic: agdi
Meaning: foot, foot sole
Old Turkic: adaq
Modern Turkic: ayaq; ajaq, ataq, azaq
Mongolian: (h)adaq
Tungus-Manchu: pagdi(ki)
Japanese: pi(n)tumai
Comments: For the Korean parallel listed - patak 'bottom, foundation' - should be rather compared with Manchu - Tungus *pata .
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:08
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:29 |
Proto - Altaic: ad
Meaning: to fit, equal, similar
Turkic: adal (friend, companion)
Mongolian: adali
Tungus-Manchu: ada
Comments: Several similar roots: id 'to follow, lead'; iwude 'to imitate, simulate', with a natural tendency towards contamination.
A hypothesis about *adaĺ: (compound) at-daĺ with 'name' as the first component is impossible (in that case we would expect *ataĺ and 'namesake' as the earliest meaning). The form atta is attested since Modern Turkic: atta 'namesake' , ada 'namesake' , ata 'namesake' - and contaminates with *adaĺ. Modern languages for the most part reflect the compound, Tuva a'dashku-lar 'a father with his children' ("namesakes"; pharyngealization as a reflex of *-t-). A possible reflex of *adaĺ is Chuvash ural-a-- 'to agree about acquiring smth. collectively, together' and ural-a-n- 'to form a light circle (of astronomical bodies)': both are semantically quite far from ura-la-n- 'to recover'.
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:11
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:31 |
Proto - Altaic: ada
Meaning: to separate, some, other
Turkic: adyr
Modern Turkic: ayir; azyr, ajyr
Tungus-Manchu: padi
Korean: pta-n
Japanese: pa(n)tu
Comments: Korean has a frequent vowel loss between two stops (which occurred before *-d- > -r- and thus explains medial -t-). Correspondences are regular except for the aberrant high tone in Jpn.
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:11
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 02:32 |
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 05:42 |
Proto - Altaic: aga(e-)
Meaning: mouth, to open mouth
Proto Turkic: agyr (1 mouth 2 lip, lips 3 mouth of a river, of a cleft)
Old Turkic: agyz
Modern Turkic: agyz; aqys, awus
Mongolian: aq
Korean: ha
Japanese: akup
Comments: (confused with *ák`a). Mong. agur 'steam, anger' hardly belongs here . The root should be distinguished from ak'a, although they tend to be confused: thus, Mong. *ag 'crack' could quite possibly reflect *ák`a.
Some phonetic comments: Korean has lost the first vowel in a long derivative (a rather frequent phenomenon).
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:13
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 05:49 |
Proto - Altaic: agu-la
Meaning: uninhabited place, wilderness
Turkic: aghlaq (1 lonely, uninhabited (place) 2 unemployed, out of work 3 field)
Modern Turkic: awlaq (Tends to contaminate with *āb-lag 'hunting lands')
Mongolian: aghula
Tungus-Manchu: aqulan
Comments: May be derived from the root reflected in Manchu - Tungus as *agī- 'to walk without a road', 'wilderness' (borrowing from Mong. aghi 'wide' is highly dubious). Note that vowel length in Proto Turkic *aglak is unknown; if the original meaning of the root was 'to nomadize', one is tempted to compare also Proto Turkic *āgul 'settlement' (originally perhaps 'nomadic settlement'), whence probably Modern Mongolian ajil . ( > Evenk ail). Not borrowed from Turkic, but rather genuine may also be Mongolian ajimak 'a group of ajil's' (Mongolian > Khakas, Tuva ajmaq (See also Manchu ajman ).
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 05:51
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:16 |
Proto - Altaic: eqa
Meaning: to paw, hit with hooves
Turkic: aqsa
Mongolian: (h)aqsa
Tungus-Manchu: ekte
Japanese: ankak
Comments: Both Turkic and Mongolian languages have also a derivative meaning 'rampage, rage, raging': aqsun, aqsum, axsum, etc.; Khalkha agsam 'rampage'. Doerfer supposes a loanword in Turkic < Mong.; Shcherbak, vice versa; the final decision is still unclear.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:19 |
Proto - Altaic: agur
Meaning: colostrum
Proto Turkic: aqur
Modern Turkic: aghuz; awuz
Comments: ----
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:20
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:21 |
Proto - Altaic: aya
Meaning: to go, walk
Proto Turkic: ay
Modern Turkic: ayla; aylan; ayda
Mongolian: aya
Tungus-Manchu: ay
Japanese: ayum
Comments: -----
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:23 |
Proto - Altaic: eyu (-o)
Meaning: to speak, cry, sound
Turkic: ayit
Mongolian: ayi
Tungus-Manchu: eye
Korean: oio
Comments: Before the 11th c. it had only a causative meaning; the meaning 'say, tell' developed later.
Edited by gok_toruk - 04-Oct-2006 at 06:24
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