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Topic: Was Hitler ever an MI6 agent? Posted: 16-Jun-2015 at 06:53 |
He learned painting in London.It could be.
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Posted: 22-Feb-2008 at 09:08 |
Much the same way as the Germans missed the Battersea power station and St Pauls' Cathedral in London, prime target tho it was. Sheer inacuracy of bombing capability at the time
Don't deny that the Russians inflicted and suffered the majority of casualties. Note more Germans surrendered in Tunis than at Stalingrad. However without the existence of the Western allies and the supplies given to the Russians they would have had great difficulty in surviving
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Posted: 20-Feb-2008 at 17:18 |
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No, the allies (including Russia) won the war.
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Come on we know who it was that cracked the spine of the nazi war machine. Everyone else came in afterwards to mop things up.
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And by the way, re bombing of buildings, bombing accuracy in those days was virtually nbon-existent. |
The IG Farben building was constructed in the 1930s and at that time was the largest office building in the entire continent of Eurasia. IG Farben itself was also the largest megacorporation in Germany at the time and one of its major achievments was developing a process to extract jetfuel, deisel and gasoline from coal tar. It should have been the prime target of allied bombers yet it was not touched. How can anyone miss such a huge structure?
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Posted: 20-Feb-2008 at 08:19 |
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Yeah I have heard that Hitler admired the British more so than any other European country, probably because of the British Empire. Certainly more so than he admired Russia(ironic because it was Russia that actually won the war). Besides the "teutonics" I presume the British were the largest population of the Nordics that hitler admired on an ethnicity basis so perhaps that is why he wanted to battle Britain last or preferably not battle them at all but just have them peacefully surrender after they saw that Germany now rules the entire European continent? |
No, the allies (including Russia) won the war.
And by the way, re bombing of buildings, bombing accuracy in those days was virtually nbon-existent.
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Posted: 20-Feb-2008 at 02:12 |
Yeah I have heard that Hitler admired the British more so than any other European country, probably because of the British Empire. Certainly more so than he admired Russia(ironic because it was Russia that actually won the war). Besides the "teutonics" I presume the British were the largest population of the Nordics that hitler admired on an ethnicity basis so perhaps that is why he wanted to battle Britain last or preferably not battle them at all but just have them peacefully surrender after they saw that Germany now rules the entire European continent?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 23:54 |
Going back to where you (or someone) said Hitler had the chance to invade the UK, I thought that maybe Hitler respected the British, and could have possibly wanted to take over all of Europe, then try to side with the UK? Just throwing it out there...
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 20:19 |
It's also said someone forgot to bomb the IG Farben building in Frankfurt while much of Germany's cities were firebombed thoroughly during the war. This building was the largest office building in Europe and after the war it served as the CIA headquarters in Germany. The IG Farben Building also became headquarters for the US Army's 5th Corps and the Northern Area Command (NACOM).
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 16:31 |
Hitler's relatives in England apparently have descendents in America, who still bare the surname, although they live under different names (for obvious reasons).
It's said a Building in Manchester was spared by Bombers on Hitler's orders because he wanted to use it as an SS or Gestapo or similar HQ.
As for the MI6 theory, I think someone's listened to Al Fayed for too long!
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Posted: 14-Feb-2008 at 16:03 |
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Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theorey |
Fair point, well made.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2008 at 13:00 |
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2. Explaining Hitler doesn't explain nazism, WW2, or the Holocaust. Even if Hitler was some kind of uniquely insane abberation, it doesn't explain why the German people let itself be fooled by him for more than a decade. The atrocities of nazism can not be blamed on only one person. If the German people, or in fact any people, could itself be led like they were in 1933-1945, there is no reason why it could not happen again.
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I think that can be explained quite easily. Hitler was, firstly, a brilliant orator. His propaganda and public speaking abilities were sublime. Eventually this got replaced by necessity for the war effort, fascist control and a huge fear of the soviets. In addition, the German people had just come through the great depression and were being horribly treated by the ridiculous treaty of Versailles. Also, it is my belief that Hitler never intended to go as far as he did. I think he gravely miscalculated, thinking the British would back down as they always had before. Also, Hitler conspiracy theories do concern me too. However, what does also worry me is that any discussion of Hitler or Germany as if he wasn't evil incarnate is instantly attacked and dismissed. Questioning the holocaust being the extreme example. While it was undoubtedly horrible, investigation should always be permitted.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2008 at 11:01 |
Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theorey
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Posted: 13-Feb-2008 at 16:54 |
Erm...MI6 didn't exist in 1912-13
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Posted: 13-Feb-2008 at 04:17 |
After watching Johny English, it's not too far from speculation...
No, it's doubtful.
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Posted: 12-Feb-2008 at 03:50 |
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* I think it more more likely he was murdered and replaced with a double or kept under control via the influence of drugs by big power players behind the scenes, especially after 1941.
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Well that is indeed the theme of this book, that hitler was a sort of a hypnotized zombie in his subconscious mind. That somehow within hitler's lifespan the intelligence agencies of Britain got their hands on hitler and "hacked his brain" somehow using drugs, brainwashing and/or another technique, consequently exploiting their limited remote control of hitler's behavior for the rest of his life when he was in positions of power to help defeat Germany. Once I actually start reading this book I will know more about the content of course, however the theme may be similar to a movie I just found out about called the Manchurian Candidate, based on a book, which was made in 1962 centered on the Korean war and then remade in 2004 centered around the Iraq war: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368008/While the movie is fiction and the book obviously is revisionist speculation supposedly backed by historical facts custom re-spun to suit the speculation, it is also a fact that the CIA, KGB etc were always very interested in using mind control techniques on prisoners and politicians. I intend to both watch the movie and read the book. This topic does fascinate me, I feel it may possibly open an entirely new window of understanding on history and current afffairs. Yes I know it sounds absolutely outrageously blasphemous but that is what attracts me to it, besides the entertainment value.
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Posted: 11-Feb-2008 at 17:01 |
There's many theories and conspiracy theories abound over Hitler. I think there is certain elements of truth found with them, I mean we have many British and American bigwigs in bed with the Nazi Party prior to WWII, so it does more than raise the eye-brow.
But no, I dont believe he was a British Agent, but his admiration for Britain is well known, and Churchill's cousin, English aristocrat Unity Mitford, fell under Hitler's spell and became one of his closest confidantes.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3042944.ece
Also Hitler's half brother Alois, lived in Ireland and married a local irish woman. The British intelligence machine though did a hatchet job on Hitler's personal life, fabricating all sorts of stuff, namely on his sex life and spread it around as propaganda.
* I think it more more likely he was murdered and replaced with a double or kept under control via the influence of drugs by big power players behind the scenes, especially after 1941.
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Posted: 11-Feb-2008 at 15:14 |
This one has got to be one of the most absurd conspiracy theories around. All the unlikelihoods have been mentioned.
There is nothing concrete at all to support it (nor any of the others mentioned)
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Posted: 10-Feb-2008 at 15:21 |
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Even if Hitler was in the UK in 1912-13; even if there had been an MI6 in 1912-13; even if the secret service that did exist had been concerned with anything but the Navy and the Court - why would they think that a poverty-stricken 23-year-old Austrian would ever move to Germany, let alone ever become someone of any importance? |
Exactly. Apart from my usual reservations against conspiracy theories, there are two things that worry me about Hitler conspiracies in particular: 1. It is a convenient thought if Hitler can be explained with some easy, will-never-happen-to us explanation. Whether he is considered a secret agent, a sexual pervert or somebody with psychological problems isn't even relevant, such theories all give the convenient thought that Hitler was an abberation, not a normal human at all, and that a new WW2 and a new Holocaust won't happen anyway (or might be prevented easily). 2. Explaining Hitler doesn't explain nazism, WW2, or the Holocaust. Even if Hitler was some kind of uniquely insane abberation, it doesn't explain why the German people let itself be fooled by him for more than a decade. The atrocities of nazism can not be blamed on only one person. If the German people, or in fact any people, could itself be led like they were in 1933-1945, there is no reason why it could not happen again.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2008 at 14:26 |
I have ordered and received this book. Let us see if I can address everybody's objections using the content in the book.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2008 at 20:34 |
Even if Hitler was in the UK in 1912-13; even if there had been an MI6 in 1912-13; even if the secret service that did exist had been concerned with anything but the Navy and the Court - why would they think that a poverty-stricken 23-year-old Austrian would ever move to Germany, let alone ever become someone of any importance?
Or was it because he went to school with Wittgenstein, who was already at Cambridge and a member of the Apostles along with Bertrand Russell - now there's ground for an extended conspiracy theory! Let me think - Wittgenstein was homosexual of course ... that ought to be good for something, especially since in later life Hitler was so virulentlyanti-homosexual....
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Posted: 09-Feb-2008 at 14:47 |
M16 is the worst intel agency in human history! Talk about blowback. I'll bet Hirohitho was also an agent. Togo was his local handler. Whilst Mussolini, code name "Benny-Tow" (you don't want the code name to give things away) was the main man in the med.
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