Which is the strongest muslim country at

Tele, i am not entirely convinced by your arguement and i will leave it at that we agree to disagree.

I will however point out that the land u refer to is "sacred" land. Y is it sacred. It is a "citadel of faith". "brotherhood" "flag of crecent and star" "symbol of almighty's protection", the religious connotations are obvious i would have thought. I c the indian threat translated as hindu threat, u c it as indian threat(i think).

And all that "bravery" talk (LOL) sounds nice and all, but in the end advanced technology is what matters. Bravery is futile against cluster bombs, B-52s, daisy cutters, bunker busters, ICBMs, tomahawks or Popeye Turbos (to name a few).

Originally posted by malizai_ Tele, i am not entirely convinced by your arguement and i will leave it at that we agree to disagree. I will however point out that the land u refer to is "sacred" land. Y is it sacred. It is a "citadel of faith". "brotherhood" "flag of crecent and star" "symbol of almighty's protection", the religious connotations are obvious i would have thought. I c the indian threat translated as hindu threat, u c it as indian threat(i think).

Indian National Anthem (focus on God)

Turkish National Anthem 

Fear not, the crimson flag, waving in these dawns will never fade
Before the last hearth that is burning in my nation vanishes.
That is my nation's star, it will shine;
That is mine, it belongs solely to my nation.

 

Oh coy crescent do not frown for I am ready to sacrifice myself for you!
Please smile upon my heroic nation, why that anger, why that rage?
If you frown, our blood shed for you will not be worthy.
Freedom is the right of my nation who worships God and seeks what is right.

 

Edited by TeldeInduz - 18-Sep-2006 at 15:38

Cool lyrics... i like the second paragraph especially where civilization is involved.

I think the Turksih anthem although it is the first time i have read it is quite supportive of the reasons i drew. Their anthem is heavy(understatement) on perserving a martial tradition,  being brave and sacrificing all.  Nice anthem by the way.

Originally posted by Bulldog You can blitz a country to bits but still cannot take it over and rule it if the people don't give in Bombing is just the first part, if the people are brave and take up arms and would rather die than be ruled by enemies well its extremely difficult for any country to take that land.

I agree, on the other hand, a technologically advanced nation can "wipe out" a technologically weak nation.

Secondly, a technologically advanced nation cannot be taken over by other nations.. Israel is a classic example.. ;)  technology truly is tremendously important.




Edited by Pacifist - 18-Sep-2006 at 21:59

Technolgically advance nation can loose by a week ones. The examples are many. USA vs Vietnam
USSR vs Afghanistan, Italy vs Greece. etc

In reality pak was created due to two reasons, none of them being Islam. :

1. The Brits had already decided to grant independence to india before the war. But they wanted to have a say in the region even after leaving. So they came back with their concept of divide & rule. they started  promoting the Muslim League. becaaue they knew that the Hindus  will never  be with them. The Indian freedom struggle was predominantly Hindu.

The british found a good answer in Jinnah, a western educated rich aristocratic, liquor drinking & pork eating muslim who was popular in the community as an alternative to Nehru.

However although Jinna becam popular with the muslims, he could not becoms a national leader as he never participated  in the freedom struggle & was always with the British.

When a new government of the free nation was being discussed, Jinna wanted to be prime minister. But nobody would have accepted him as the PM since he was pro british. So jinna worked out on carving a separate nation for himself where he could become the prime minister.

Thus pakistan was born.

The tragedy of Pakistan is that the self acclaimed Pious, holy, islamic state was founded by an un islamic, unholy, non paractising, liquor drinking & pork eating  person who was successful in playing religiously divisive politics to suit his & britishers interests.

Yes its based on a reality show called " munh me alla, table pe mulla"

Originally posted by perikles I haven't understand the reason of the anthems!!! why you presented them? Open a different thread.I think them oftopic. If no then we should all write the anthems of our countries or anthems we know.

You are right Perikles. Even I cannot think of the logic why these are here !!! But I will open a new thread anyway so Telde brother can put his collection their & I remain in History as the creator of that thread.