Which is the strongest muslim country at

hey Malizai! i agree.

There are three main contenders, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran.

Edited by Bulldog - 17-Sep-2006 at 18:59

Well My choice of the first two still seems to be clean. Most of the members are of the opinion that it is a Iran - Turkey tussle for the top spot.

Reasonably so. The turks have been one of the best fighting machines in the last few hundred years. They have the power of NATO on their side. They are important for the US. They have the best equipment  after the saudis. And off course the Turkish bravery & pride.

Iran on the other hand represents a totally different side. They are representatives of the resurgent islam. Great fighting experience against the Iraqis. They would have control over more than half of the present day iraq sooner or later. Very big country, very rich country. Another thing is that they have friendly relations with many of the Non aligned countries.
Their Nuke program is of their own, as against the pak program which is essentially a result of a lot of support from Other nations covertly, supported by illegal procurement of equipment & technologies from different corners of the world. they are pretty much self reliant & although they have the support of Shias all over the world, they realise that in any eventuality they will be on their own & are zealously prepared for the worst.

Much has been said of the nuclear bombs aquired by pak. everyone fails to understand one essential fact. even if Pak has nukes, it cannot use them. Any attempt by any country to use nukes will mean their certain destruction by the US & Europe, which already faced with the expanding war of terror is not going to tolerata any such nonsense. what use are those nukes then ? Even publically Pak always claims that its nukes are meant only for attacking India. And what objective would they achive by using them against a much bigger economy, much bigger country, much better technology, immensely more populated, commanding a much better PR in the world ? Even Militarily,  any such  act would  be suicidal as any military strategist can make out.

I rated the Afghans higher up in the list, because of their fighting skills & their experience. Although a very small country with hardly any organised military at present. The afghans have surely shown themselves to be invincible by anybody other than their own people. The country is rapidly changing and support from the US, west & India for the present government  only means muchbetter times to come.

Once organised, the Afghan army will undoubtedly be the most lethal in the Muslim world. Although without an air force & navy, I belive no body will deny this. Another fact that needs to considered is the Pushot speaking Afghans in NWFP province of Pakistan. Afghans are the second biggest population in Pakistan & the main force in their army. All the military successes which pak has had so far have been due to the these Afghans.  In any eventuality, these  brave Afghans  would be in real terms  an asset of Afghanistan, leaving the pak military devoid of its strongest power. The fact that the present Afghan Govt. is unhappy with pak does not help either.

Further theliking of the Balooch people for the Afghans & Iran as against pakistan & their continuing quest for independence from pak will possibly see a realignment of borders in any future conflict Pak has with anybody.

The Balooch people are very much like the Afghans, fierce, war like & difficult to control. even today the Pak government is not able ot effectively controol them & their writ runs large in most of interior & rural baloochistan. Another example is areas liek Wazirstan where the pak army has no control & the Afghans dominate.





 




Edited by Vivek Sharma - 18-Sep-2006 at 03:37

Originally posted by Batu Turkey has the most effective combat force in mountain warfare.and one of the most experienced air force in the world.nukes are nothing in war.they are for politics.

Nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles are a crucial deterrence. It's highly unlikely that nations with nuclear weapons and ICBMs will be attacked by a foreign power. Experienced airforce? Israel comes to my mind, but of course no nation in the world comes even close to the might of the US Airforce. Oh and by the way, Turkey's military is a lot stronger than Iran, we have a far more modern military. Iran doesn't deserve the respect that so many Turks have for that nation. Turkey is clearly much more powerful thanks to the Mullah regime :D
In the 70s, Iran had a much stronger military than Turkey though.
    
    
    

Edited by Pacifist - 18-Sep-2006 at 06:12

Iran is ore self reliant & a better economy than the Turks, bigger country, with the backing of Shias worldwide. Just one point of difference. 

Originally posted by YASASIN_KAZIM_KARABEKIR 1. t�rkiye ottoman empire2. iran 3. algeria� fighting with honours again the french how have more modern weapons than algeria 4. my brothers, pakistan5. the new state cecenistan

"Cecenistan" ? What the hell is that? Did you mean Kurdistan?

You see, this is something I don't understand. Many fellow Turks want the Chechens to create an independent state in Russia, but they are fiercely against the Kurds doing the same in Turkey, Iraq or Iran.

Is this the "your terrorist is my freedom fighter" attitude ?????    
    
    
    
    
    
    

Edited by Pacifist - 18-Sep-2006 at 05:03

What does territory have to do with anything? I was thinking about population, oh well..
    

Edited by Pacifist - 18-Sep-2006 at 05:00

Or the terrorists. They are worse. Gurillas are at least not cowards. They fight in the open.

The gurillas kill military in surprise ambush like Shivaji did. The terrorists kill civilians in surprise attacks like 9/11 & numerous others

Originally posted by Bulldog There are three main contenders, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran. � Now the bickering about Pakistan-Turkey is stupid as they are key allies and there people share a bond, in Turkey most people like Pakistani's the people don't hate each other, the governments don't, so war talk is ridiculous. � Pakistan have Nukes!!! makes them a BIGPOWER!�have�modern�weapons,�great�scientists�and�technology , have some troops trained in Turkey. � Turkey has an extremly disciplined, established, powerfull millitary. Turks are renownd for being brave fighters. Not many people like to mess around with Turks in real life face-to-face[IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> � Iran looks like its developing Nukes and their National Guard can pack a punch! �

If it hadn't been for NATO and our relations with the West and the equipments we buy from them (and Israel), we would have had a weak military though. And all that "bravery" talk (LOL) sounds nice and all, but in the end advanced technology is what matters. Bravery is futile against cluster bombs, B-52s, daisy cutters, bunker busters, ICBMs, tomahawks or Popeye Turbos (to name a few). It's not too hard to understand that the US could wipe out virtually any nation by using conventional weapons ONLY.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

Edited by Pacifist - 18-Sep-2006 at 05:59