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Topic: Xionghu-Hun-Turkey- DNA connection Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 13:37 |
http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtml
Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave
DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
Ancient grave in the Egyin Gol necropolis. Courtesy E. Crubezy, Universit Paul Sabatier, Toulouse, France
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The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
The research also provides glimpses into the Xiongnu culture. Elaborate burials were reserved for the elite members of society, who were often buried with sacrificial animals and humans at the time of burial. And relatives were often buried next to each other.
This is the first time that a complete view of the social organization of an ancient cemetery based on genetic data was obtained, says Christine Keyser-Tracqui of the Institut de Mdecine Lgale in Strasbourg, France. It also helps us understand the history of contacts between the Asiatic and European populations more than 2,000 years ago.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 13:53 |
I read this article in AE before. I'll keep this thread open till I find it, then I'll close this one. Till then this belongs in Archaeology.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 01:21 |
I dont' understand why they compare DNA of modern Turks of Anatolia who
are mixture of pure Turkic nomads (like Kazakhs) and local settled
population - Greeks, probably Armenians, etc., and why they place
photographs of modern Khalkha-Mongols who have absolutely no relation
to ancient Turkic speaking Hunnu nomads? Kazakhstan is thousands miles
closer to the graves in Mongolia than Turkey. Why they don't compare
the DNA of the Hunnu with Kazakhs or other Central Asian Turks (there
are plenty of Kazakh students in France)?
Edited by Akskl - 10-Sep-2006 at 20:26
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 03:06 |
yeah kazakhs pure turk ther're mixed with mongols
btw it's smart to do that with turks of turkey if that matches than everything matches all the turks
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 04:10 |
Turkish - Azeri and Uighurs doesn't look like other Central Asian or Siberian Turks. So, the result would be definately different. By the way, we think TURKISH people are a mixture of Turks and Caucaid people.
Edited by gok_toruk - 10-Sep-2006 at 04:11
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 11:14 |
So, this is an additional proof ...
About the Huns, they are part of Xiongnu Empire folk emigrating to Europe in 4th century under the leadership of Balamir...
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 12:06 |
And we know the founder of Hunnic empire was Oghuz Qaqa.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 17:39 |
In the third century of BC, the Hunnu Empire had formed up. The founder was the Modun Shaniyu and he became the ruler in 210 BC. During its 200 year-long existence, Hunnu had established the classical form of nomadic lifestyle. Particularly, they first made use of the structure of tens, dividing the territory into three parts /western, central, eastern/, the rulers and the statehood emblems /coat of arm, state seal etc/ and the later states inherited its cultural and social achievements.
There were 30 rulers in the history of Hunnu, Modun Shaniyu being the first and Shilishindodi being the last/ 48-56 AD/. Until the year 216AD, the North Hun state which was succeeded the South Hun state, had accepted the invasion of Han state of China and during its existence there were 21 khans /chen yui/.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 20:33 |
So-called "Turko-Mongols" of Genghis Khan (sounds like "Arabo-Negroes"
to call Arabs with dark skin) were all Turkic-speaking 12-13th
centuries clans or tribes like Kereits, Jalairs, Qingyrats, Naimans,
Onguts, etc. who are all parts of modern Kazakhs today (see
www.elim.kz).
DNA analysis of the ancient Hunnu showed that they were already there a
mix of Asian and Caucasoid races like modern Kazakhs are.
DNA of ancient Sarmatians and ancient women-warriors (so called
"Amazons") is exactly the same as DNA of modern Kazakhs.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 06:21 |
Originally posted by Akskl
I dont' understand why they compare DNA of modern Turks of Anatolia who
are mixture of pure Turkic nomads (like Kazakhs) and local settled
population - Greeks, probably Armenians, etc., and why they place
photographs of modern Khalkha-Mongols who have absolutely no relation
to ancient Turkic speaking Hunnu nomads? Kazakhstan is thousands miles
closer to the graves in Mongolia than Turkey. Why they don't compare
the DNA of the Hunnu with Kazakhs or other Central Asian Turks (there
are plenty of Kazakh students in France)?
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There are plenty of DNA analysis on Qazaqs, they are closest to the Khalha Mongols genetically. Do you want me to post some results?
Edited by barbar - 20-Sep-2006 at 06:21
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Either make a history or become a history.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 10:33 |
Khazakh Turks mixed with mongols but they originally Turkic like Huns or Oghuzs.
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Khalkha Mongols are closer to Tungusic people while Kazaks are Central Asians. Even Hazaras who are said to be descendants of old Mongols are not like Khalkha Mongols at all. They are like Central Asians.
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 23:21 |
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/3/0,1872,2132483,00.html
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/5/0,1872,2133061,00.html http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/16/0,1872,2133072,00.html
Meiramgul, die kleine Amazone
Identische DNA-Strukturen
Modern Kazakh girls have exactly the same DNA as ancient Amazons.
http://www.interkz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2316&st=100
Edited by Akskl - 20-Sep-2006 at 23:23
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Posted: 23-Sep-2006 at 04:02 |
At final:
khazakhs etnichly mostly Turk or mongol?
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Posted: 23-Sep-2006 at 05:36 |
Most turk I guess
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Posted: 23-Sep-2006 at 09:00 |
i think too!!!
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 05:48 |
Originally posted by Akskl
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/3/0,1872,2132483,00.html
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/5/0,1872,2133061,00.htmlhttp://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/16/0,1872,2133072,00.html
Meiramgul, die kleine Amazone
Identische DNA-Strukturen
Modern Kazakh girls have exactly the same DNA as ancient Amazons.
http://www.interkz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2316&st=100
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No doubt, as Sak tribes became part of Turkic people. Is her genetic mark typical to other Qazaq people?
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Either make a history or become a history.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 12:13 |
The west alwais thry to push the Huns to the east as far as they can. The huns never looked like mongols or chinees or not even central asiens. They did not desapeared. They lived in the carpatian basin long before the Indoeuropaians arrived.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 12:19 |
The names does not sounds like hungarian. this whole idea is absurd. The hungarian language did not change much in the last five thousend year.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 20:39 |
Originally posted by Tske
The names does not sounds like hungarian. this whole idea is absurd. The hungarian language did not change much in the last five thousend year. |
The hungarian language didnt even exist five thousand years ago, the magyar people and the huns did speak a turkic language. The hungarian language isnt that old!
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