Balkans and EU : Dangers and Threats

Balkains are generally poor, and Even they hate each other, I think they are not stupid. (They are also weak, serbians were somehow powerful, but they are not any more)

If you take a good, hard look at the Blakans during the last two centuries, you'll se that all instability comes from one single nereve center-Belgrade. The imperialist politics of the Serbian political elite was homegrown, not orchestated from Russia like most people think. Still today, pro-imperialist party have a majority support in Serbia, and there doesn't seem to be any sign of a decline. In fact, the independence of Kosovo will only increase it. And Russia has given up on the Blakans nowdays.

The big mistake Europe is making on the Blakans is seeing the strive for integration into the EU as a sign of the inhabitants wanting to leave the past behind and accept european values. What the average Balkaner really wants is to achive the living standard of the west, while dispizing it's values alltogether.

double standard is a must at international politics.

He is greek. Well you should say no not another pro-serb.(greek)

Originally posted by Leonidas rubbish anti serbian rhetoric. Nationalism has no borders.  If kosovo is allowed to split from serbia then why shouldnt serbian parts of other countries do the same? western double standards no doubt will make them more angry and help extremists. So stop the double standards.

Originally posted by Maljkovic Oh no, not another Serb

i dont think im "pro- serb"  but i did date a bosnian serb once, if that counts.

i dont like people pointing the finger and saying "it was them". This is a history forum for god sake, such simplistic black/white logic just expose a blinkered reality. If you can only identify and talk about the nationalists(ism) in the "other " country but not your own you most probably one yourself.



Edited by Leonidas - 16-Sep-2006 at 09:11

I dont think that Balkans Countries are such a threat for EU.Greece is already a member of EU,Bulgaria and Romania will become members in 2007.The expansion of the union on the balcans will bring only prosperity and peace.The only threat for balkanian peace is the ethnic hate.I dont think that turkish will fight against bulgarians and that we will fight turkish.There may be some nationalism but it is limited.Only albanians can cause some kind of ethnic conflicts because of kosovo and albanians in Macedonia.

    

If kosovo is allowed to split from serbia then why shouldnt serbian parts of other countries do the same? western double standards no doubt will make them more angry and help extremists.

If by parts of Serbia in other countries you mean Bosnian's unofficial and internationally unrecognized RS(Republika Srpreska). It is not the same issue. Albanians were 69% of Kosova at the time it was sucked into the Kingdom of the Croats, Serbs and Slovenes. Even then it endured heavy amount of forced expulsions and settlement of Montenegrins, who trampled on the rights of Albanians in the area. Yet still after WW2 the Albanians remained the clear majority and expanded over the decades to the point they are today. They had a higher birthrate then the Serbs and could not leave the province to work in other parts of Yugo like Serbs could.

The RS is recognized by the international community to have been created artifically and through the acts of ethnic cleansing. That is why it is not recognized and will not be effcted by the imminent declaration of Kosova as an independant nation.

There may be some nationalism but it is limited.Only albanians can cause some kind of ethnic conflicts because of kosovo and albanians in Macedonia.

These Albanians had a right to act out what they did. They were the most oppressed minority in all of the Former Yugoslav republic. On top of the fact that neither any of these Albs(whether in Montenegro, Kosova or FYROM) wanted any part in being adopted into these lands(ulcin in Montenegro endured two major Serb sieges and was then entire Albanian populated and even today after Montenegrin population dilution the city is 75% Albanian). They were given partically no rights which they did not have to fight for.

For the issue on FYROM and how its been developing since the war look HERE.

During the Ottoman Rule they couldnt touch there.But when Ottomans got weak they started to play games on balkans and diveded the land to thousand pieces.Like Caucasia and middle east.

So you think keeping all these lands in a bankrupt and dying empire was better?
    

Everyone dream Great Albania,Serbia, Greece e.t.c.. Unfortunely the only that paid and will continue to pay these actions is the people that want to leave in peace.

Little children can dream all they want. However none of the Albanians in Montenegro or in FYROM have actually declared wants for succession from their govt. Just increase in Rights. Recently in Montenegro Albs protested for the fact that their municipality was attacked to Podgorica's and so they lost all say in anything in the state. In Kosova its differen, the Kosova populous and ROA populous have stated that they have no official wish to unite the lands into a "Greater State". Rather they just wish to succeed from a country which has pursued the focus of ethnic cleansing in that area since the first world war.
    
    


Edited by Theodore Felix - 18-Sep-2006 at 22:07

Originally posted by Jay. Originally posted by Maljkovic If you take a good, hard look at the Blakans during the last two centuries, you'll se that all instability comes from one single nereve center-Belgrade. The imperialist politics of the Serbian political elite was homegrown, not orchestated from Russia like most people think. Still today, pro-imperialist party have a majority support in Serbia, and there doesn't seem to be any sign of a decline. In fact, the independence of Kosovo will only increase it. And Russia has given up on the Blakans nowdays. The big mistake Europe is making on the Blakans is seeing the strive for integration into the EU as a sign of the inhabitants wanting to leave the past behind and accept european values. What the average Balkaner really wants is to achive the living standard of the west, while dispizing it's values alltogether. Ahh, more nationalism from the Croatian facist Maljkovic [IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>The Yugoslav civil wars was everyones fault, not only Serbia's. You are saying that the sepertism and aggression by Croatia and Sloviena wasn't a major fault in the bloody collapse of Yugoslavia? According to you, Franjo Tudjman was a saint. The ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Krajina was of course, Serbia's fault. (of course I'm being sarcastic).To conclude, I would like to say that I'm tired of your nationalism, lies, and hate shown towards Serbs. For example, calling me a cetnik on numerous occasions. Leonidas pretty much summed it up best, so thank you Leo! Originally posted by maljkovic Oh no, not another Serb [IMG]http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" align=middle> He is not Serb, but Greek. But, just for the record, what does it matter if he was Serb? This grudge you have agansit us must stop, seriously....You're pathetic.

I can accept calling a decision made on free elections separatism since it's coming from you, but agression? With what?! Milosevic controled the Yugoslav army and there was no other army in Croatia and Slovenia in the begining, they were only formed later.
      
I blame Tudman for a lot of things, but starting the war he did not. And as for the blame for cleansing of Krajina, maybe you should read something about it on places that aren't pro-cetnik. I was here when this was happening so I think I know a bit more about it than you!

And that's funny... Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians, Montenegrins, everyone has a grudge against Serbs. But the Serbs don't have a grudge against anyone   
    

Edited by Maljkovic - 19-Sep-2006 at 11:47