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    Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 15:30
What's the future of Russia and of the Russian armed forces?Will be a superpower again or just a watcher of the international political scene?
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  Quote Murph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 15:34

any country that has ICBMs will always be a force to be reckoned with, so i dont think that they will ever be a spectator

however, internal issues (economy) will keep them from becoming a superpower again

also, its unfortunate how the country under Putin is reverting to totalitarian regime...russia seems to not be capable of a functioning democracy



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Putin is a modern Tsar for Russia.
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  Quote Murph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 16:06

yeah he really is

russia simply has had authoritarian rule for thousands of years and can not function as a democracy

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:16
Russia is still a power, and Ukraine shows that despite the government having changed, the cold war is not totally over.  It was never really an ideologival battle anyway, just a power struggle, so theres no reason that should have changed just with the fall of the commies.
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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:22
I still think that Russia is a very important member of the international community and I think the crisis in the Ukraine exhibited that in a sense. In 15 years the U.S. will no longer be the only superpower and therefore there would likely be more room for Russia to manouvre.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:27
Even the the US has many sighns of decline I dont think it will have a major competitor for 50 years because of the defense spending gap but I agree in principle.
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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:31

The U.S. I am afraid is on a threadmill to self-destruction. Not to turn this into a political debate, but the U.S. has a 450 billion dollar deficit, their troops are stretched thin and they certainly harmed their image and crediability by invading Iraq.

But in the long run, the U.S. will be surpassed in economic size by the EU, China and India.



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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:50
I agree, but I think that long run is longer than 15 years nonetheless, adn I dont think the EU will ever become a legitimate power, the time of Europe is over, the time of Asia is back.
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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:56
That is an excellent debating topic, can the EU become a global superpower that rivals the United States. Maybe I'll start it in the intellectual discussion forum. There is an article in this months The Economist which deals with that issue. It doesn't rule out that it is possibel but it does say that they have a couple of obstables to overcome. I think I will start that topic.

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http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1442& ;KW=Winterhaze13

This is a new topic create by myself about the possibility of the EU becoming a superpower.

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  Quote warlord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 01:46

Putin is restoring Russia to it's former glory. All power to him.

Russia will have to diversify it's economy away from oil.

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 11:05

however, internal issues (economy) will keep them from becoming a superpower again

also, its unfortunate how the country under Putin is reverting to totalitarian regime...russia seems to not be capable of a functioning democracy


Russia(since the fall of Yeltzin) is actually becoming much stronger economically and overall a better place. Also I bleieve that the Russian people need totalitarian rule, since we had it for over a thousand years (with the exception of Gorachev who let his rule collapse through liberal policies). Russia always benefitted from Totalitrain rule(again this has an exception in Nikolai II who was not capable of maintaing Russia).

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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 13:12
Originally posted by dark_one

however, internal issues (economy) will keep them from becoming a superpower again

also, its unfortunate how the country under Putin is reverting to totalitarian regime...russia seems to not be capable of a functioning democracy


Russia(since the fall of Yeltzin) is actually becoming much stronger economically and overall a better place. Also I bleieve that the Russian people need totalitarian rule, since we had it for over a thousand years (with the exception of Gorachev who let his rule collapse through liberal policies). Russia always benefitted from Totalitrain rule(again this has an exception in Nikolai II who was not capable of maintaing Russia).

I don't think Russia is better off under a totalitarian regime. The communist regime was benovolen in some form, but in a much wider scope it was very repressive to minorities and political deviants. The absolute monarchies incompotent administration lead to the 1917 Revolutions, the Communist parties transparency lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union. So, how long do you think this current administration will survive. I will admit that Putin has brought upon economic prosperity, but will that benefit the people over the long run. Russia continues too be backwards and undemocratic. Indicative in the conflict in Chechnya and the corrupt case involving Yukos. Russia needs democracy and democracy needs Russia.

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2004 at 11:59
 All you westerners speak like democracy is the ultimate goal of humanity. Totalitarian stateslast as long as the talent of the ruller does. In our monarchy each generation had talent and contributed somethign, except for the last one. It is no coincidence. That's the beauty of totalitarian rule, if you are untalented you are disposed off. Same thing with Gorbachev. You know that either Andropov or Chernenko(keep confusing those two)was put into power because everyone knew he had less than a year to live and they needed time to decide who would be the real ruller. Gorbachev turned out to be too liberal.
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Originally posted by dark_one

  That's the beauty of totalitarian rule, if you are untalented you are disposed off.

Indeed Lenin, Stalin & co were beautiful.
They were so talented in killing people, I'm glad they weren't disposed off.
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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2004 at 17:13
 Lenin dies of syphillis after ruling about 7 years, during a civil war. We don't know him welll enough as a ruller. Stalin on the other hand made it so that Russia could defend itself against Germany in WW2, and rebuilt our economy.
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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2004 at 19:34

Originally posted by dark_one

 All you westerners speak like democracy is the ultimate goal of humanity. Totalitarian stateslast as long as the talent of the ruller does. In our monarchy each generation had talent and contributed somethign, except for the last one. It is no coincidence. That's the beauty of totalitarian rule, if you are untalented you are disposed off. Same thing with Gorbachev. You know that either Andropov or Chernenko(keep confusing those two)was put into power because everyone knew he had less than a year to live and they needed time to decide who would be the real ruller. Gorbachev turned out to be too liberal.

Well in fact I don't believe that democracy is perfect, I believe that it has many flaws. How can you defend the fact that totalitarian rule has failed several times in your country and yet you continue to defend it as a necessary evil. After Putin who will come along to fill the void, totalitarian regimes exist only on a temporary basis because it has no real enduring mechanism. 



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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2004 at 20:56
 Totalitarian rule failed exactly twice. And both times it was replaced by something better. The system wroks.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 07:28
Originally posted by dark_one

 Totalitarian rule failed exactly twice. And both times it was replaced by something better. The system wroks.

Depends on how you define 'working'.
If 'working' becoming a strong, powerfull country, it works more or less
But if 'working' means giving your citizens a good life it's the suckiest system that ever existed.
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