In Balkans we have?

You said, Akritas, the following

Sorry, Arb�r Z   

Originally posted by violentjack After testing Illyrian genes, on all people of Balkans:Bulgarians,Greeks,Albanians,Croats and Bosniaks, they found one thing which denies Albanian claim Ethnic group with Illyrian gene most prevalent is Bosniaks Out of those Albanians trail Bosniaks and Croats, in Illyrian ancestry. Albanians arent Illyrians, neither by history Or by race which was proven You can write here, try to make yourself highely better, or your fake history, but think which was decided is that majority of Albanians arent of Illyrian ancestry. So, you have no right, to claim something, when you cant even pass simple Illyrian genetics, that you dont have!

Anton when you start a thread as about me and my  post  the fair is to put the all Post and not a cutting sentence

 

Originally posted by Arb�r Z Akritas, ok let us discuss on what you claim. Tell me, which was this significant invasion that provided the interruption between illyrian and albanian? As I am repeating, in this region the occupators didnt settle, so there is a continuity.

Originally posted by akritas Anton when you start a thread as about me and my  post  the fair is to put the all Post and not a cutting sentence     Sorry about that. My fault. Youput it instead of me.     My belief (stupid as you said) that is not enouph for somebody to claim that he is Greek, Thracian, Illyrian, Macedonian,Ionians e.t.c. if he cannot prove that he is indeed Geek,Illyrian,Thracian .t.c. and that is not enouph for somoebody to live in Greece,Thracia,Illyria to be called a Greek e.t.c.     This is no need to prove that actually. If you have a nation and another nation 2000 years later it is logical that is the same nation developend into another. Until you prove that this first nation somehow died or moved.   If the present population of Greece left the country and Chinese arrived to reside does this mean that the Chinese residents would be Hellenes? The same  question goes in you of course as also and the Albanian Arber. My answer is of course not.     So, can you prove that present population of Greece in your example (or Illirians and Thracians in the topic) indeed left the country? I am not tqlking about Macedonians now. Let us concentrate on those two gropus of tribes. Nobody, except maybe your beloved Zlatarski, proved this.     When I mean verified scientifically that mean coorporate researchers of various fields such as historians,anthopologists,archaelogists,sociologists,linguists and many others.     It is being done. Especially by molecular genetic methods, since linguistic is unsure (4 inscritprions is to small amount of words to be used to prove something).     these  for the beginning.   Thanks for that, now please answer the major question -- show something, that proves that Thracians and Illirians moved.

The lack of sources about the connection between the Illyrians and the Albanians can not be taken as proof that the former are ancestors of the latter.
The Albanians appeared for the first time in the 11th century.Prior to this date there is no source mentioning their presence in the region  despite the fact that in the region of modern day Albania there was one of the largest Byzantine cities,Dyrrachium.So,why didn't the Byzantines notice their presence prior to the 11th century,if the Albanian were always there on the mountains of Albania?The Byzantines had a clear knowledge of the people who were living inside the boundaries of the empire,and outside as well.
One could say that the Albanians are descendants of a migratory people that settled in the region during the Dark Ages,when the byzantine authorities had no control over the northern Balkans(6th century).
On the other hand some late Byzantine sources clearly mention the Albanians sometimes as Illyrians.


Edited by nikodemos - 28-Aug-2006 at 10:07

There is silence of historical sources prior to the 11th century.So,can we just say that the Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians just because they happen to live at a place where the Illyrian tribes lived? there were hundreds other tribes that could settle there during the middle ages
The Carpians for example invaded several times the Roman provinces.Is there any source that they disapppeared?No.So what happened to them.Is it not possible that some of them settled at remote places,for example the Albanian mountains?Or the Goths.Does any source say explicitly that they all left the Balkans?Or any other barbaric tribe.....



Edited by nikodemos - 28-Aug-2006 at 10:16