Legacy of europeans sold into the islamic

Is it possible to listen to that particular lecture without having to buy the DVD or the Video?

I don't know about this in particular, but I have read that the slaves from Egypt and transferred to the East (China?) were castrated to make it impossible to reproduce. very possible the same occured.

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Indeed, there was a desertion of Slavs to the Arabs during the reign of Justinian II. 6000 is around the correct number as 6000 is already a large number in itself. They were recent captives of Justinian and settled in a place they did not desire to be in the first place. And so..an enemy's enemy is your friend, you desert when you have the chance.

A slav friend tells me that they were several prominent slavs in spain and were known as saqalibas (?) kind of like the arab verson sklavenoi

Originally posted by Lorenzo I don't know about this in particular, but I have read that the slaves from Egypt and transferred to the East (China?) were castrated to make it impossible to reproduce. very possible the same occured.

    Raiding the neighbouring Christian lands (current Ukraine and South Russia) for slaves was a common and profitable business for the Crimean Tartars and Cherkassians, described like innocent victims by Bgturk in this thread. The same slaves were also bought by Venetians, Genoans etc. as a crews for their galleys (despite being Christrian).

In Al-Andalus there were a vast market for the eslaves, many of they true slavs. These slavs come to muslim Spain because the wars of the carolingians and then the german lords in the eastern frontiers, from there they were put in Verd�n, the main market of eslaves in western Europe, and from here the muslim traders take their to Al-Andalus. A portion of the slaves was castrated and worked in the palace, but many others worked mainly in the administrative system or few in the army; there were three types of eslave women: blacks from the N�ger, whites from iberian christian kingdoms and whites from Frankish-Slavic Europe, these last as say pinguin was the most valued by the iberian muslims because their light skin, eyes and hair. Althought originally the name saqalibas refering to the slaves, they will be mixed then with other non iberian groups, the "franks", these eslaves was provided by the piracy bases in southern France; so at one moment, the "slavs" from Al-Andalus was in fact all eslave from non iberian Europe (and certainlly in later years, too from this place)

When the Caliphate fall down, the "slaves" will have a lot of small kingdoms, "taifas", in the mediterranean coast, of these, the more important and strong was the Taifa of Denia (and Balearic islands), wich will launch several campaigns of piracy in the western mediterranean sea, included a serious attack to Sardinia if i remember well.

Originally posted by Desperado   Tartars and Cherkassians, described like innocent victims by Bgturk in this thread. The same slaves were also bought by Venetians, Genoans etc. as a crews for their galleys (despite being Christrian).

Edited by Zagros - 16-Nov-2006 at 12:25

Originally posted by NikeBG What's the etymology of the word "taifa"? Because even in modern Bulgarian "taifa" is a slang term for "a group, a band".

Taifa (Ta'ifah) was a word applied to all the kingdoms derivated from the the Caliphate, have an arab origin and mean "faction"

Originally posted by Zagros So you are saying that they were still slave hunters in the 19th century?� Can you provide some academic or historical facts to support this assertation?�Even if so, you say only some were innocent? I did not realise that the common people of a polity decided its geopolitical/strategic policies, which, even if they did, has nothing to do with slave hunting.

Yes, I DO say that some are innocent, because the women and children are not responsible for their husbands/parents activities. Even until nowadays (2002) hundreds, if not thousands of non-muslims were kept as slaves in different Caucasus republics of the Russian Federation (mainly in Chechenia). If you want more info check Fisher's “Muscovy and the Black Sea Slave Trade” and Reuben Levy's, "The Social Structure of Islam".
In Hogendorn, “The Hideous Trade” there are pointed three main slave producing regions, from the VIIIth through the late XIXth centuries, including the areas were the forested parts of central and eastern Europe was called by Muslims the “Bild as-Saqaliba” (“slave country”). Gues where's that? Slavery was openly practiced in both Ottoman Turkey, and Shiite Iran, even through the first decade of the 20th century. (Ehud Toledano, "Slavery and Abolition in the Ottoman Middle East"). I admit that the raids for slaves diminished through the XVIII century and although they cannot be compared with the horror of mid-15th through late 17th, they didnt't stop, it was a profitable business, and as you can see there still was a market as late as the fall of Ottoman Empire. Also I can add some aspects of Chercassians behavior by the time when they were resettled by the Ottomans in Northern Bulgaria, but I won't, because you'll immediately say that i'm biased(I'm an ethnic Bulgarian). I'll just mention that for the several decades of their presence the cry "Cherkezi!" was synonymous to "Plague!" or "Run for your lives!".



    

In the days of piracy, Barbarossa and such raided along the whole European coast to man the galleys and to be sold off in slave markets, as Desperado has already pointed out. There is even mention somewhere of slave raids off the Irish, Cornish coasts and Scilly Isles .