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Topic: What is the longest living civilization? Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 05:27 |
Originally posted by bbaker642
The oldest civilization with a practiced form of worship is not Hinduism. Hinduism is a European term applied in the 18th century to explain the complexity of the various systems of belief in India. Because there are som many. I believe the Dravidians(Dravidianism) is the oldest. Hinduism and even the Abrahamic religions are rooted in one way or another as well as all other major philosophies. Christianity,Islam etc. Try researching "The Vedas" and find out how mix Christianity and Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) is. |
The vedas are not Dravidian, but Indo-European (within that, Indo-Iranian). You're right on the whole about 'Hinduism' being a conglomerate, but it has no common roots with the Abrahamic religions.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 11:20 |
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Well their language is very common to the ancient one,almost all greeks can read and understand the ancient greek writings,they still have the olympic games,they have theatres,they have lots of ancient traditions like the "Kaberia Mysteria",they have democracy,etc.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 14:47 |
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They did....? | Well their language is very common to the ancient one,almost all greeks can read and understand the ancient greek writings,they still have the olympic games,they have theatres,they have lots of ancient traditions like the "Kaberia Mysteria",they have democracy,etc. |
The present governmental system in Greece is nothing like ancient Greek democracy - which, in any case was only practised in a few cities.
The main political difference is that the country is governed nationally instead of being a collection of independent city states. In fact the small, independent, city state is the hallmark of ancient Greek civilisation, until of course it falls apart under Philip and Alexander, who impose a far different political system.
If 'almost all' modern Greeks can understand ancient Greek, how do you account for the Melina Mercouri character in Never On Sunday? I had a close Greek friend at university who managed to fail modern Greek, let alone having any idea about ancient Greek. (He subsequently did very well for himself in the film world.)
And they have theatres - but if you put, say, Antigone on at one, how many people would pay to see it?
And today's Olympic games are nothing like the original ones - moreover, compare the numbers attending soccer and basketball in Greece with those attending the traditional ancient sports.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 14:50 |
Originally posted by gcle2003
The present governmental system in Greece is nothing like ancient Greek democracy - which, in any case was only practised in a few cities.
The main political difference is that the country is governed nationally instead of being a collection of independent city states. In fact the small, independent, city state is the hallmark of ancient Greek civilisation, until of course it falls apart under Philip and Alexander, who impose a far different political system.
If 'almost all' modern Greeks can understand ancient Greek, how do you account for the Melina Mercouri character in Never On Sunday? I had a close Greek friend at university who managed to fail modern Greek, let alone having any idea about ancient Greek. (He subsequently did very well for himself in the film world.)
And they have theatres - but if you put, say, Antigone on at one, how many people would pay to see it?
And today's Olympic games are nothing like the original ones - moreover, compare the numbers attending soccer and basketball in Greece with those attending the traditional ancient sports. |
It's called evolution..
Sorry never seen the film.Still its the character she acts,not herself.
When you say failed modern greek do you by any chance mean grammar?cause that is irrelevant.
Don't know how many people would pay to watch Antigone(or afford it) but i wouldn't miss the chance.
It's not the games that matter rather than the greater idea that makes the difference,which by the way i don't think the greeks are to blame in turning them(the games) into a moving making money business.
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Posted: 24-Sep-2006 at 22:05 |
Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world.
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Posted: 25-Sep-2006 at 01:34 |
Originally posted by gcle2003
Originally posted by bbaker642
The oldest civilization with a practiced form of worship is not Hinduism. Hinduism is a European term applied in the 18th century to explain the complexity of the various systems of belief in India. Because there are som many. I believe the Dravidians(Dravidianism) is the oldest. Hinduism and even the Abrahamic religions are rooted in one way or another as well as all other major philosophies. Christianity,Islam etc. Try researching "The Vedas" and find out how mix Christianity and Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) is. |
The vedas are not Dravidian, but Indo-European (within that, Indo-Iranian). You're right on the whole about 'Hinduism' being a conglomerate, but it has no common roots with the Abrahamic religions. | No there is a difference. In India there is this concept of Braham
& Abraham. A person who follows the righteous ways (read the
mainstream religion) is a Braham. the one who does'nt is Abraham. "A"
suffix denotes negativity signifying the opposite.
the wester people like to play with theis theory of an aryan race.
Indians don't. The word Arya means a noble person. anybody who is a
Braham is Arya. A person who was not considered as noble by the
mainstream population was called Anarya (not an arya) & his
philosophy was called Abraham. An Abrhaham person could become a Braham
if he returned to the mainstream religious path.
Indian history is full of infighting between these two sects called
Braham & Abraham. For example the Asurs /Ashurs (known to the west
as assryians) were predominantly Abrahamic people. So also were the
people of South India & Sundaland. The Highest seat of the brahamic
faith was Tibet & in south easter central asia.
Another example is of the Madra community (known to the west as the
Medes who formed the median empire) These peole are said to have been
Brahamic initially, but later becme Abrahamic.
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Posted: 25-Sep-2006 at 10:09 |
Egypt is the oldest state. It has preserved its statehood, either as an independent state or as an province within an empire, since 3100 BC. Continously.
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Posted: 26-Sep-2006 at 20:42 |
Responding to the Q? what is the longest living civilization and according to the arguments on the forum about it. Civilizations on this planet are not determined by race or religin
Human race history and its civilizaton era is a complex historical issue whatever we know about it is whatever we have learned fromit according to records of human history
I thinck us as humam our selfs we are the oldest living human civilization on this planet before any religen or culture and language recorded by us and how much argument could it take to say so even if we go as far as 10,000-15,000 or 20,000 year ago that this is before that .
Human historey and its creation on this planet exist from thousend or may be million yeras ago we donot know for sure the date of existence but we know for sure it existed.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 03:42 |
Hi all i have read all interesting discussions. without any bais and with available evidence i can say that in india there was a civilzation which is older than indus(harappa)civiliztion.Few years back archeologists accidently discoverd a lost city under sea which is dated be 9000years old based on carbon dating. more story on bbc site.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1768109.stm
Someone mentioned zorastarism to be oldest religion,but its not true bcos Avesta(collection of sacred hymns) was written during about 1000 bce by zoraster himself and later hymns were added during 650BCE to 650 CE. vedic texts (sacred hindu books) is much older than this about 1700BCE to 1100 BCE. I was amazed to discover that avestan hymns are excaly the same as sanskrit hymns of rigveda ,one can match word to word, though they used different scripts. Zorastarism and hinduism have similiar gods.some one mentioned about dravidian culture..even today the Shiva of harappa culture is worshiped in india
http://iranianlanguages.com/avesta_overview.htm
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Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 04:50 |
Originally posted by Gun Powder Ma
Egypt is the oldest state. It has preserved its statehood, either as an independent state or as an province within an empire, since 3100 BC. Continously.
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We are talking about the longest living civilzation not the state.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2006 at 12:25 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
We are talking about the longest living civilzation not the state.
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I know, but this is at least a bullet proof fact, while the other question always rests to a large amount on interpretation.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 01:02 |
Originally posted by Gun Powder Ma
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
We are talking about the longest living civilzation not the state.
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I know, but this is at least a bullet proof fact, while the other question always rests to a large amount on interpretation.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 19:40 |
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Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world. |
i agree
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 23:43 |
[QUOTE=omergun] [QUOTE=Celestial]Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world. i agree
I disagree,in fact turkish people are mixed of Selguke and Mongol-Tatar as of some scholars claim and the language is new by Ataturk.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 00:10 |
"Egypt is the oldest state. It has preserved its statehood, either as an independent state or as an province within an empire, since 3100 BC. Continously. "
Nope, Egypt as a state ended in 31 B.C. China lasted from at least as early as 1500B.C.-present. at least 3,500 years.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 08:42 |
Originally posted by warhead73
[QUOTE=omergun] [QUOTE=Celestial]Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world. i agree
I disagree,in fact turkish people are mixed of Selguke and Mongol-Tatar as of some scholars claim and the language is new by Ataturk.
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Do you know anything about Trks? If you dont, please dont make such comments. Please dont take the Trkish history in your mouth, oh please. The Seluk Empire is a Trkish Empire, Seluks arent a different nation. The Seluk Empire is one of the biggest Trk-Islam Empire. How could the same nation mix with the same nation, so pls dont talk nonsense? If we come to the second statement. Firstly it is not Mongol-Tatar, it is Tatar. This is a mix of Trks and Mongols. Trks were always the same from the beginning of history, every nation has mixes, so please dont talk nonsense. Your third statement about the language. Are you trying to make people angry, or is your capacity? Trkish language never changed. What Atatrk did was change the alphabet of the Trkish language from Arab alphabet to Latin alphabet.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 09:44 |
Turks originate from the Altay region.
Metalworking has been used since the 2nd millenia BC in that region, still metalworking
is important in Turkic cuture and history, the "Ergenekon Legend" for example.
There have been ancient tombs in Turkic "Kurgans" found with art-works, carpets, metalworking, its sometimes called the "Paryzak culture". The people
of the Altay region today are the same as those back then as proved in
DNA testing from the tombs. An Altay legend is, there were three sons in Altay, one went West
one went East and one stayed.
Now the question is the "longest living civillization", I don't think therefore
that they'll accept Turks as they were a "culture" back then as far as we know but
the area around Altay has had very little archeaological research, if cities and towns
are found like ones recently found close to the area being attributed to the later
Husoi-Nu then it would probobly change all this.
So Turks existed for thousands of years and still in the same area in which they started.
However, the oldest known civillization has to be "Sumerians" as they had cities,
writting, great buildings and architecture etc
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 15:22 |
"However, the oldest known civillization has to be "Sumerians" as they had cities,
writting, great buildings and architecture etc"
Civilizations in Middle East are probably the oldest of all, but again, some Indian and Persian evidences could rival that statement.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 20:31 |
Originally posted by omergun
[QUOTE=warhead73][QUOTE=omergun] [QUOTE=Celestial]Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world. i agree
I disagree,in fact turkish people are mixed of Selguke and Mongol-Tatar as of some scholars claim and the language is new by Ataturk.
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Do you know anything about Trks? If you dont, please dont make such comments. Please dont take the Trkish history in your mouth, oh please. The Seluk Empire is a Trkish Empire, Seluks arent a different nation. The Seluk Empire is one of the biggest Trk-Islam Empire. How could the same nation mix with the same nation, so pls dont talk nonsense? If we come to the second statement. Firstly it is not Mongol-Tatar, it is Tatar. This is a mix of Trks and Mongols. Trks were always the same from the beginning of history, every nation has mixes, so please dont talk nonsense. Your third statement about the language. Are you trying to make people angry, or is your capacity? Trkish language never changed. What Atatrk did was change the alphabet of the Trkish language from Arab alphabet to Latin alphabet.
I think you are over reacting in your statment however if you have any proofs or you like to change history on your own way that is another storey you should read some more books to learn the trueth.
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Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 08:25 |
Originally posted by warhead73
Originally posted by omergun
[QUOTE=warhead73][QUOTE=omergun] [QUOTE=Celestial]Longest living civilization of the world is Turks. They were the ones who crossed the frozen bridge to North America 20.000 years ago. Some scholars also claim that the Turkish language is the oldest language of the world. i agree
I disagree,in fact turkish people are mixed of Selguke and Mongol-Tatar as of some scholars claim and the language is new by Ataturk.
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Do you know anything about Trks? If you dont, please dont make such comments. Please dont take the Trkish history in your mouth, oh please. The Seluk Empire is a Trkish Empire, Seluks arent a different nation. The Seluk Empire is one of the biggest Trk-Islam Empire. How could the same nation mix with the same nation, so pls dont talk nonsense? If we come to the second statement. Firstly it is not Mongol-Tatar, it is Tatar. This is a mix of Trks and Mongols. Trks were always the same from the beginning of history, every nation has mixes, so please dont talk nonsense. Your third statement about the language. Are you trying to make people angry, or is your capacity? Trkish language never changed. What Atatrk did was change the alphabet of the Trkish language from Arab alphabet to Latin alphabet.
I think you are over reacting in your statment however if you have any proofs or you like to change history on your own way that is another storey you should read some more books to learn the trueth. |
i know that im right and i know you, and people like you, are haters whom dont deserve to talk about Trks. my statement is a fact, do a little research, you shall find im true.
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