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cattus
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Topic: ALEXANDER, where should I start with the Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 21:18 |
muhaha, Stone is an idiot. It opens today in London and he is blaming the movie's failure in the US on
"raging fundamentalism in morality".
Perhaps it was you butchering history and using bad actors?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050105/ennew_ afp/afplifestylebritain_050105233953
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Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 06:25 |
I read somewhere that Aelxander was actuallya blond. And in a BBC documentary, the narrator said he had red hair. What did Alexander look like?
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azimuth
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Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 08:44 |
i think he had a light brown hair
and he was between 160 cm to 170 cm in height
the only statues shows his real look are the once made when he was alive but those were destroyed and there are some Copies of these statues made by the Romans 100s of years after Alexander's death so i guess those are the closer ones shows how he looked like
and there is some coins showing his face and those are made during his life time and after
but they are not very good at telling how he looked like
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Tobodai
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Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 19:03 |
what a HORRIBLE movie, it got EVERYTHINg it could have gotten wrong! and SOOOO boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least they had the guts to show him as bi but even that was actually downplayed and was such a stupid waste of time int he movie, there are like 2 (LAME) battles and its just........so stupid. A travesty of film and expense.
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Miller
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Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 19:19 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
At least they had the guts to show him as bi but even that was actually downplayed. |
Apparently Stone is
planning to cut some of that for the DVD release thinking that was
the factor that contributed to the very low sales figure. He seems to
still be in denial
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Tobodai
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Posted: 13-Jan-2005 at 19:55 |
Ill tell you what was responsible for the low sales figure, LAAAAAAAME movie, boring presentation!
If anything the bi stuff helped because alot of females I knew wanted to see Colin Farrel make out with a guy! That was prolly the only reason they went in the first place!
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Dari
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Posted: 13-Jan-2005 at 22:35 |
It made me feel ashamed at being to a Persian. : (
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Perseas
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 08:56 |
Originally posted by azimuth
i think he had a light brown hair
and he was between 160 cm to 170 cm in height |
Not so! Alexander's height was around 1.40-1.45 cm.
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azimuth
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 07:40 |
yes i read that somewhere
but that is too short and i think it was based on something to do with militery equipments they think it belonged to alexander
i guess it is more than 145 cm based on some of his statues
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 09:02 |
He was shorter than usual, that much we know. But there's no way to know with accuracy. Taking into account (from sceletons of the era) that back then the greeks varied from 1:60 - 1:67 we can say that either:
1. He was a short guy within that range
or 2. He was even shorter!
In my mind I imagine him somewhere like 1:60
Picture:
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 09:19 |
Originally posted by azimuth
yes i read that somewhere but that is too short and i think it was based on something to do with militery equipments they think it belonged to alexander
i guess it is more than 145 cm based on some of his statues |
Yep, we can tell precisely that Phillip's height was 1.60. This is because of his armour which was discovered some decades ago from a greek archeologist in Vergina-Greece. We do know from ancient sources that Alexander was reaching Phillip's shoulders.
Funny, but it seems shortness seems to be a common feature in military geniouses.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 10:39 |
Actually I have went to places like Montenegro and places in
Macedonia and I noticed a lot of blond haired people. I guess that
would be attributed to other civillizations from the north moving in.
In my old land, Albania, I did not notice ANY blond haired people. But
then again Albanians and people from Bosnia and Montenegro arent
decendants of the same people.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 11:14 |
Meh, there still are, and were Blonds in ancient Greece, and people
back then also occasioanly belached their hair. I should thing that
whining about hair colour should be very very low on the list of
percieved inaccuracies, but usualy its the first one to get any
attention.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 20:28 |
Originally posted by Aeolus
Funny, but it seems shortness seems to be a common feature in military geniouses.
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Well, not always. Cyrus the Great was very tall, and I believe Charlemagne was 6'4", which for his time was ridiculous. Peter the Great, Richard the Lionhearted, George Washinnton, etc. But sorry to deviate.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 21:12 |
According to Plutarch and Appian Alexander was described to have an athletic frame, not taller than the common, and a white and ruddy complexion. The expression of his eyes had something liquid and melting and the hair which stood up over his forehead gave the suggestion of a lion. This might actually have nothing to do with color, since we know that he was oftenly depicted as Heracles with a lion on his head, a probable reference to his devine origin. We know that according to the myth he laid heavy emphasis on his descent from the Homeric heroes, And that in other occasions he claimed to be the son of Dias and demanded to be called so.
>>people back then also occasioanly belached their hair<<
Actually there is alot of evidence in literature and artifacts that prove that "blonds" did exist in ancient Hellas but were acually concidered as an "illness" and neither were the predominant "color" thus proving the "Nordic theory" to be false.
The author of Aristotelis Physiognomica claims that both excessive paleness and excessive swarthiness are indicative of cowardice. Aristotle in the Eudemian Ethics mentions that "some men are blue eyed (glaukoi) and others black eyed (melanommatoi) because a particular part of them is of a particular quality" without assigning any moral superiority on either of the types. In the same passage, he continues that the blue-eyed man (glaukos) does not see clearly, an error which illustrates that he did not believe in a superiority of blue-eyed individuals. Indeed, the Greeks in general were somewhat repulsed by blue eyes, because of their rarity and association with disease (cataract and glaucoma), as Maxwell-Stuart, P.G., 1981, Studies in Greek colour terminology, vol.1 "Glaukos", Leiden : Brill in a complete study of all the uses of the adjective (glaukos) shows: Instinctive fear of blindness must be very strong among all sighted human beings, so their immediate reaction to such an eye will manifest itself in a repulsive frisson. Men will wish to ward off a similar fate from themselves.
Healthy eyes of that colour therefore have something unnatural about them, and their relative infrequence in Greece proper (and, indeed, in Crete), will have aroused a similar instinctive hostility. Fear of the unknown and of the unusual would contribute to the notion that possessors of such eyes must be malign; hence the long association of blue and the Evil Eye which has lasted in Greece and the surrounding area until modern times. Not surprisingly, these feelings of hostility would be strengthened by knowledge that foreigners from the cold North - those dangerous, incursive, un-Greek people - had blue eyes. The author of Aristotle's On Colours mentions that infants are born with light-colored hair but their hair turns to black as they grow up. Hence, unlike Nordics who retain (to some degree) the paedomorphic trait of blondness, Hellenes appear to possess mostly dark hair in adult life. There are a number of references in the Greek authors in the practice of women dyeing their hair blond (e.g., in Euripides) or using artificial means (white lead) to lighten their complexion.
The document that proves the theory to be false:
Since the image can't be seen visit:
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/nazigermany/
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Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 15:22 |
Why is haircolor that important?
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 12:11 |
I spent 3,8 euros (low fare ticket) and allmost 3 hours viewing that movie. I still weep about it...
The fighting scenes were nice, though.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2005 at 19:39 |
Why is haircolor that important? |
portraying characters in a historical movie is one of the most
important issues that MUST be studied in detail. Stone wrote the
screenplay based on his image of Alexander, who was his childhood
hero. Stone found the most legendary story about the man and tried to
portray him the way he always pictured.
In my opinion, besides the obvious mistakes Stone made in creating a
"true" film, the movie itself didn't carry much weight of its title.
the cinematography was horrible. the directing was not as expected esp.
in the war scene with Persians there was a scene where blood shed from
a wrong place! He even didnt put Persepolis in the movie maybe he
didnt even know what persepolis was burning down Persepolis is one
of the key parts of Alexanders story and he even didnt bother
mentioning it. I only liked two things about the movie, one was Val
Kilmer's performance, and the other was the music; Vangelis is my
second favorite composer.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2005 at 18:51 |
Azimuth...
These Semitic guys such as Assyrians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians are your real brothers. Arabs were living and establishing countries before islam man.
And they continue living in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, etc...
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