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xi_tujue
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Topic: New Middle East Borders ! Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 09:08 |
the reason wht forein investor don't come to east turkey because its political iunstable who would invest in a place were civil war is possible not me. but I think its the goverments fault at some point. I heard that ataturk open schools in that region for farming and bio something and in the 1950 the pro american closed them accualy thay stoped financing them. is this true?
btw id there would become a free kurdistan It would be tricky to find investors mabey for oil it will be easy but Oil rusns out. what does that region have to offer for foreigners. thats also the point why the turkish goverment doesn't invest money in the south east. in the east and north east they produce sugar beats allmost all the sugarbeats in turkey come from that region. And turkey delivers 20 or 15 % of the worlds sugar beats mabey 10 that region is ethe only region of turkey were there is intensive agreculture. my 2 grandfather are farmers there more like landowners the last 20 years. they are allways buisey with the lands non stop. the goverment does jack for them exept helping them sell it and stuff. So why would the goverment help the south west region if they got nothing to offre mabety some cotton fields in hatay. I don't mean to make the turkish goverment look bad but every country has a region were the invest les money thats how it goes. Thet region is formost instable. The local kurdish population are allso scared of the pkk. The villeage or town were my grand father lives eleskirt agri is largely kurdih and the ysay we want nothing to do with the pkk. Do you realy think just because a free kurdistan could be established the pkk will stop they will only stop if they can rule the counry the way they want and thats not stopping is it.
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Leonidas
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Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 09:22 |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
the reason wht forein investor don't come to east
turkey because its political iunstable who would invest in a place were
civil war is possible not me. but I think its the goverments fault at
some point. I heard that ataturk open schools in that region for
farming and bio something and in the 1950 the pro american closed them
accualy thay stoped financing them. is this true? |
This would be a chicken vs egg arguement. I would argue that this very lack of investment over the decades has led to the general economic 'backwardness' of the south east region which inturn has helped provide fuel to the conflict. Sorry if these people had jobs, rights or lets just say 'the good life' no group can recruit people to die for something else.(BTW rights is a clear second to economic factors in my mind) On this level the responsbilty lay's with the turkish government and its planning/priorites.
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Alborz
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Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 15:23 |
what is interesting is that EU is working hard to squash nationalism within its members. and we have US manufacturing nationalism in mid-east. I say lets divide the US and EU under ethnic, racial... lines. I say that is best idea EVER.
lol. obviously how mad would people be in US??? some would be very happy.
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Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 14:27 |
Originally posted by Tangriberdi
But we will not let you be able to do this in Turkey. You must shed your blood. if you try.
That is it.
Enough.
U.S.A is the bigest provocator and terrorist country in tyhe world. |
Coincidentally it was also Turkeys biggest supporter in its war against the Kurds in the 1990s
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mamikon
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Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 15:12 |
Also coincidentally it was also Turkeys biggest supporter since 1945...
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Leonidas
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 06:21 |
fearsome threesome > isreal the USA and turkey
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Mortaza
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 06:39 |
well, She helped us, why should we refuse?for eu? russia? iran? no thanks.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 07:05 |
Originally posted by Leonidas
fearsome threesome > isreal the USA and turkey |
I think thats true It's got a nice catch to it two.
If turkey does the things that are writtin and quoeted above(whole topic) Turkey and turks will be not exepted as "muslims" and such by arabs persians....... etc
I say f it that allready the way it is.
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Leonidas
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 07:10 |
yeah i like using that one Its a very powerful group if you think about it
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 07:26 |
I wonder if that group wan't there what would happen I mean turks not "guarding" the border of europe what would happen?
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Bashibozuk
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 08:00 |
New borders generally caused worse consequences for us, people of Middle East and Balkans after 18th century. I'd prefer going back to the borders of a couple of centuries past, like in the good "old" days...
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 08:09 |
Originally posted by Bashibozuk
New borders generally caused worse consequences for us, people of Middle East and Balkans after 18th century. I'd prefer going back to the borders of a couple of centuries past, like in the good "old" days... |
ottoman empire?
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Leonidas
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 09:52 |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
I wonder if that group wan't there what would happen I mean turks not "guarding" the border of europe what would happen? |
well it could be good or bad depending on what point of veiw you have. other alliances would fill in the vacumm i guess with roughly the same result.
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 10:05 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Also coincidentally it was also Turkeys biggest supporter since 1945... |
Wrong, it is as: "Turkey has been an American colony since '50s."
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 12:43 |
I meant Ottoman borders, not the "empire", we are all glad to have a modern democracy instead of an imperial theocratic monarchy. It wouldn't be bad though, if we were still owners of half on Middle East, guess how rich we were to be by now, maybe I could have some oil field in my backgarden at Kuwait...
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Garibim, namima Kerem diyorlar,
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Hastayim, derdime verem diyorlar,
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Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 15:30 |
Originally posted by Bashibozuk
I meant Ottoman borders, not the "empire", we are all glad to have a modern democracy instead of an imperial theocratic monarchy. It wouldn't be bad though, if we were still owners of half on Middle East, guess how rich we were to be by now, maybe I could have some oil field in my backgarden at Kuwait... |
I doubt it. As rich as the iraqis or the saudi arabians? Ottoman empire would be just the same nice place for western oil industries, and not a heaven for its citizens.
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Bashibozuk
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 07:46 |
Ottoman empire would be just the same nice place for western oil industries |
Yeah, unfortunately, the empire was just a perfect source to feed their industrial needs by the western colony powers, but I doubt that they would dominate the whole market like they could in their regular puppet states.
BTW I am not talking about the revival of the "empire", I am talking about the revival of its borderlands under a secular democracy, just like ours.
Edited by Bashibozuk - 02-Aug-2006 at 07:46
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Garibim, namima Kerem diyorlar,
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mamikon
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 15:35 |
These borderlands you speak of...exactly what lands do these cover?
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Mortaza
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 02:25 |
most probably armenia is not inside of that borders. Isnt this better than turan idea?
Anyway, It would be disaster, arabs and turks are not ready for this, and Turkey is not a good example.
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TeldeInduz
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 04:45 |
What Afghanistan would lose to Persia in the west, it would gain in the east, as Pakistan's Northwest Frontier tribes would be reunited with their Afghan brethren (the point of this exercise is not to draw maps as we would like them but as local populations would prefer them).
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If that were true, NWFP would be with Pakistan in that map..
Edited by TeldeInduz - 03-Aug-2006 at 04:46
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Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre.................
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