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Constantine XI
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Topic: Liberators of your country Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 05:01 |
Thankful to say, we have never been in need of liberation. We asked for
democracy and got it, we asked for federation and got it, we fought off
the Japanese on our own resources and were successful. Let's hope our
track record continues to be as simple and clean.
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 05:16 |
Originally posted by Mixcoatl
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
The English and Prussians liberated us from the French. |
And vice versa. In 1795 the Republic was pretty much an Anglo-Prussian vassal state. |
Yes, also true... Gosh, we have been liberated lots of times, havent we?
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 06:13 |
A Danish nobleman and national hero Niels Ebbesen, killed Count Richard (Gerhard) III of Holstein on April 1, 1340 during the Kingless Times, when the entire country was pledged to German counts.
This action led to further insurrection against the Germans. Ebbesen died in a large battle at Skanderborg Castle (Skanderborg Slot) in December 1340.
He was recognized as the first Danish Freedomfighter and a statue to his honor is erected in front of Randers' Old City Hall today.
Of course - this is the way we see him.
Reading the german sources, he is portrayed as a murderer and terrorist.
Again - there is no truth in history - only points of view.
What stands is...
If not for his deed, we would most probably be speaking German today.
Feel welcome to read more on my homepage (its old, but readable).
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 09:04 |
noone liberate us Although we had many conqueror. Every time we had to rebel and send away the conquerors.
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 13:50 |
We have been liberated in 1918. in the war of independence by Estonians, Finns, Danes, Swedes and Jews. These popped into my mind during the first thought.
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 16:20 |
One could say that we were liberated with the aid of Great Britain,France and Russia but this happened only during the last years of our War of Indipendence(1821-1830).The sea battle of Navarino was critical for the success of our struggle.At this battle the joned British,French and Russian fleet smashed the joined turkish-Egyptian one.But it is an exaggeration to say that the Great Powers of that time were our liberators.
During WWII the Greek guerilla groups were receiving ammunition,money ad information by the British airforce and the British Intelligence.When the German forces evacuated Greece,the British landed in Athens but what followed was a battle between Greek communist guerillas and the British forces(December 1945).
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Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 18:34 |
Originally posted by Kalevipoeg
We have been liberated in 1918. in the war of independence by Estonians, Finns, Danes, Swedes and Jews. These popped into my mind during the first thought.
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Ma juba judsin mainida kik meid 'vabastanud' venelased.
Sorry about that... It is actually quite interesting that all Russians think they are the liberators of the world... from Germans, from ourselves.
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Posted: 29-Jul-2006 at 06:24 |
Originally posted by rider
Originally posted by Kalevipoeg
We have been liberated in 1918. in the war of independence by Estonians, Finns, Danes, Swedes and Jews. These popped into my mind during the first thought.
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Ma juba judsin mainida kik meid 'vabastanud' venelased.
Sorry about that... It is actually quite interesting that all Russians think they are the liberators of the world... from Germans, from ourselves. |
And they are still waiting for us to thank them for the time they raped our country.
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Posted: 29-Jul-2006 at 09:19 |
Well, i'm a belgian ( technicly Flemish but i call my self gentenaar ( of the city of Ghent )) and we had the joy of being conquered by every neighbour atleast twice and even the ones further away like spain and hungary/austria had the pleasure of conquering us. The problem was that belgium(the netherlands in general) is a perfect battlefield, very flat, rather rich, lots of cities and villages for bridgeheads, several rivers for easier logistics(The schelde is a natural invasion route from France into Belgium), but the main problem was that we were always on both sides of the invading armies(and the invading armie that came to liberate us).
Even in my own family where 1 uncle was in the german army who got to 80 kilometres of Moskou and my grandfather lost some of his friends while they tried to get Britisch pilotes out of german territory.
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Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 01:19 |
Our occupiers, the Sydney Swans, just won a major battle forcing the
Kangaroos back to North Melbourne. This bodes badly, because without
the presence of a Kangaroos base here there is nothing to stop the
Swans from gaining a stronger foothold.
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Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 10:06 |
First of all the person who liberated us and made a saperate country for us the Great Ahmad Shah Abdali then it was Amir Ghazi Amanullah Khan who liberated us from the British, then it was the Mujahedeen (infact the USA) who liberated us from Russians and now lets see who is next on the line who will liberate us from the World Powers aka NATO.
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Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 00:06 |
Obviously Kolokotronis, but there were countless others who I can't be bothered to discuss as they have probably already been discussed on here many, many times.
As for Cyprus, Makarios was a liberator, being the spiritual leader against the British. But also the likes of Afxentiou, Nikos Sampson (a brave man who fought the Turkish terrorist TMT) and countless others.
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Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 00:22 |
Husein Gradascevic lost the battle but he did win the war, largely
because of the actions of the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian authorities
after his defeat. He led a revolt against Ottoman rule fueled by
Bosnian resentment following the Sultan's decision to award the by-then
Bosniak-populated Sandzak to Serbia. He lost, but both the Ottomans and
Austro-Hungarians treated him so poorly (I don't mean tortured, I mean
not treated like the noble he was) that it greatly offended the
sensibilities of the Bosnian aristocracy and, through them, the
peasantry. This made his ideals stronger than ever and Bosnia was never
really at peace with the Ottoman Empire for the rest of its duration in
this region.
Gavrilo Princip and Josip Broz Tito are questionable examples, but each
were liberators in their own way. Gavrilo Princip, who dreamed of a
united, pan-Slavic state (not a Greater Serbia as nationalists on all
sides will tell you today) started WWI, which led to Bosnia's freedom
from Austro-Hungarian rule - which was never, despite Austria's every
effort, appreciated following so many centuries of Ottoman rule,
brought down by a desire for independence.
Josip Broz Tito liberated Bosnia from every imaginable force during
WWII. He broke the Serbian Cetniks, the Croat and Bosniak Ustasa, the
pro-Italian Croat paramilitaries, Allied paramilitaries, and so on.
Both these characters are now viewed much differently than they were in their time, though.
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Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 15:02 |
Makarios was just a bloody butcher, who comitted a genocide against the Turks of Cyprus. After he got ass kicked by Greek coup d'etat, Sampson came and he continued the dirty job of Enosis. Though he also got his ass kicked, but this time by our F-16s.
BTW TMT was a freedom fighter organisation for resistance against the oppressive Greek policies to exterminate Turks of Cyprus.
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Asli'mi el almis, harem diyorlar.
Hastayim, derdime verem diyorlar,
Marasli Seyhoglu Satilmis'im ben.
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Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 15:44 |
Originally posted by Gharanai
and now lets see who is next on the line who will liberate us from the World Powers aka NATO. |
Interesting... Do you want the talibans back?
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Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 21:14 |
Originally posted by Bashibozuk
Makarios was just a bloody butcher, who comitted a genocide against the Turks of Cyprus. After he got ass kicked by Greek coup d'etat, Sampson came and he continued the dirty job of Enosis. Though he also got his ass kicked, but this time by our F-16s.
BTW TMT was a freedom fighter organisation for resistance against the oppressive Greek policies to exterminate Turks of Cyprus. |
Firstly, the TMT probably killed more Turkish Cypriots than they did Greek Cypriots, largely owing to the fact they needed a necessary pretext and justification from which to recruit and begin open hostilities, they did this via agent provocateur actions in which Denktash (check Christopher Hitchens Hostage to History for more information) has admitted he was a part of. So in terms of creating ethnic-strife, then yes, their terrorist mission was successful, as have the authorities in the occupied areas been successful with destroying a large number of Churches (including one Catholic one - which has been converted into a Mosque). But remember my friend, what matters now is quite simple: No EU till Neighbours say so it's as simple as that. And whatsmore, with the situation in Northern Iraq, the Iraq invasion itself (and Turkey's rejection of the financial deal offered to them) as well as the increasing power of the Islamists and anti-Western attitude in Turkey - Your relationship with America is at breaking point, that being of course, the only thing that has allowed you to annex EU land in such a way, and believe me, when American attitude towards Turkey begins to shift inexorably towards a less friendly approach - your days of being able to flaunt International Law are over.
As for Archbishop Makarios, he was a hero, and a true Christian, and whatsmore a true Greek. While the Turks were the Vichy like Collabarators with the British occupying forces, the men of EOKA were fighting for the freedom of Cyprus, not one Turkish Cypriot joined the struggle, and yet they want to be called 'Cypriots'. Hah! Don't make me laugh.
Cyprus is a Greek island, it's native inhabitants are Greeks, it's predominant culture is Greek, it's predominant language is Greek, it's predominant religion is Greek Orthodoxy. Cyprus is eternally Greek, no one can change this, it is impossible to rewrite history in such a way. That is why referring to Turks (or rather, Islamized Greeks in the occupied areas) as Turkish 'Cypriots' is such an oxymoronic statement.
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Posted: 08-Aug-2006 at 00:30 |
The Cyprus problem is a blacklisted topic. Please spare us your distorted and nationalistic diaharea. Blaming Turkish Cypriots for not supporting the Greek Cypriot fight for ENOSIS with Greece, which would have lead to their destruction, is the most absurd statement I have heard in a while.
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Posted: 09-Aug-2006 at 16:56 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
George Washington. Who liberated us from England's grip.
Ok there wer more factors there but Washington is definitly up ther in being a liberator! |
What about the French?
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Posted: 13-Aug-2006 at 06:41 |
Liberators
Viriato- from roman invasion ( for 8 years won every battle against the roman legions )
Afonso Henriques ( 1st king, liberated us from the muslims )
Nuno Alvares Pereira- from Spain
Brites de Almeida ( from Spain )
Don Joo 5 - from Napoleon
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Posted: 14-Aug-2006 at 11:06 |
The main question is Liberation from what ?
For Latvia:
1. Teutonic knights (germans) from pagan religion'
2. Sweden from germans
3. Russia from Sweden
4. 1917 Revolution from Russia
5. USSR from capitalism
6. Nazi from Communists
7. USSR from Nazi
8. Perestroika from USSR
9 ...
10 ...
What next ?
Edited by John Lenon - 14-Aug-2006 at 11:07
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