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    Posted: 11-Aug-2006 at 11:55

wht are the major differences in 'amal' between sunni and shiite

example.. in solat...

what is the reason for the differences to be happened?

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In Salat? Shias don't fold their hands, Sunnis do.
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Shiite Cleric
 
 
 
Sunni Cleric
 
 
The turban worn by Shiite cleric and Sunni cleric look somehow different.
Is turban worn by Shiite cleric the result of Iranian influence? I found out the turban worn by Shiite look similar to the one worn by Afghans or other Iranian on daily basis.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Aug-2006 at 22:55
Its traditionally black, the color of mourning. karbela.
 
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I am not sure if this is true, people who wear black turban are sayyed, and white turban wearer not.
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I don't think it is true.
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 the Only people Who wear Black turban are the descendant of prophet Muhammed(PBUH) the other shiite scholar wear a white turban,we called them Shiekh.
  
it has no connectin between Kerbla or a result of the Iranian infleuence cause the descendant of the prophet(Sayyeds) were wearing it before the Iranians adoption of shisim.
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Thats whhat I have always been told Here in Pakistan all Shia cleric wear it for that reason.
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Originally posted by Sparten

In Salat? Shias don't fold their hands, Sunnis do.
 
 
U mean during Qiyam? correct me if I am wrong but I thought some sunni also doesnt perform that..
 


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Iranian President Mohammad Khatami (in black turban) submits a budget proposal to parliamentary speaker Ali-Akbar Nategh-Nuri, November 29 in Tehran for the next fiscal year, beginning March 21. The government, facing a cash crunch caused by plummeting oil prices, has prepared an austerity budget for next year.

I wonder why Ali Akbar didn't wear black turban Spartan I can bring up more evidences but that is enough

 
 
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Becouse ali akbar nategh noori isn't a sayyed
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Originally posted by cahaya

 
U mean during Qiyam? correct me if I am wrong but I thought some sunni also doesnt perform that..
 
 
 
The folding of hands during the prayer (Takattuf) is mostly accepted and practiced by major branches of Sunnis.
As far as I know, most Shia do not fold their right hand on the top of their left hand during the prayer.
Also, as Cahaya mentioned, some Sunnis dont as those who subscribe to the Maliki School of thought.
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the Only people Who wear Black turban are the descendant of prophet Muhammed(PBUH) the other shiite scholar wear a white turban,we called them Shiekh.
  
it has no connectin between Kerbla or a result of the Iranian infleuence cause the descendant of the prophet(Sayyeds) were wearing it before the Iranians adoption of shisim.

Well, I am a Syed (Sayyed), a Hashmi, and a Quraeshi. I am sunni not shia and I nor my father have never heard of such a practice except on this board. So I don't think you can really make that judgement on the colour of the turban.
I have a freind who is a Syed Hashmi from Iraq. I'll ask him about it and get back to you. But I am sure that:
Not all Syeds wear black turbans, and
not all people who wear black turbans are syeds.
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Maziar I know but I tried to explain for Spartan.

he said they wear it (blacke) cause the colour of mourning,kerbla therefore I wondered to convince him why Ali-akbar isn't wear it even he is A shiite.
 
 
 


Edited by Ahmed The Fighter - 13-Aug-2006 at 02:13
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As you may have read in my later post, I qualified my statement that Shia clerics often wear the black turban in Pakistan.


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Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter

 the Only people Who wear Black turban are the descendant of prophet Muhammed(PBUH) the other shiite scholar wear a white turban,we called them Shiekh.
  
it has no connectin between Kerbla or a result of the Iranian infleuence cause the descendant of the prophet(Sayyeds) were wearing it before the Iranians adoption of shisim.
 
 
 
Ahmed, if the black turban is indeed worn primarily by the Sayed (descenant of Muhammed), how come Mohammad Khatami and most of the Iranian Shiite cleric also wear it? These people  are Persian. Does that mean all these Iranian Shiite cleric are descendant of Muhammed (PBUH) if your statement is correct?
 
 
Also the person who is wearing the white turban is not a Shiite cleric. He is Muhammed Bashar al-Faidhi, a renowned Sunni Cleric in Iraq.


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Ahmed, if the black turban is indeed worn primarily by the Sayed (descenant of Muhammed), how come Mohammad Khatami and most of the Iranian Shiite cleric also wear it? These people  are Persian.
 
You know what? i always ask myself where the hell do all these Sayyeds come from.
 
I don't know about another Muslims countries, but i know for sure in Iran about 99% of them are not sayyeds. If you read the social history of Iran from Safavid dynasti to Ghajars, you will see that too many con men, beggars, cutthroughts and thieves had claimed they were Sayyeds. Sayyed was a very nice job, you need to do nothing all days but to wear a turban and claiming you are of prophet's stock. The people will respect you and bombard you with money and goods or gifts. That's why today are so many Sayyeds in Iran.
 
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In Iran, I've also read that many Iranian women who would have children out of wedlock or with an Arab mercenary would claim that their child was a Sayyed as they did not have a father's name to give the newborn.
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Originally posted by Maziar

You know what? i always ask myself where the hell do all these Sayyeds come from.

I so totally agree.
Sayyed is a title passed down the male line of the family, women don't pass it to their children. Which as far I as can see means that any syed, must also have the name hashim. As thats also passed down the male line.
So whats with non-hashmi syeds?
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