Do christian turks exists

DO you really think that a pious populace would be content with a secular government?.

Bulldog, The 'pious' population here voted in a government that has continuously questioned the secular policies of the state and the population STILL supports them as a majority.

I know all religion has the capacity to be great, but from my personal experience and from looking at history I do not want a thing that causes so much hate, war and arrogant narrow mindedness being prevelent in the mindsets of my people as an ever-simmering platform for extremism to launch off.  I can perfectly distinguish the quietly faithful and the religious fundamentalist, but that does not stop me from supporting the growth of logic and scientific reason replacing religion as the main guide to life amongst the masses.
My grandfather is the perfect example of the ideal relationship between religion ond secular, scientific progression, he prays once a week in a private room and does not talk to anyone about his religion unless asked - he is modern, progressive, secular and open-minded.  But ordinary people who can live with the 2 things well are rare.

As for the wolf symbol, I know there is nothing stopping me using it dammit, i do!  What's your problem?  I AM blaming it on the rightists for giving it fascist connotations.


Edited by Suevari - 23-Jul-2006 at 04:31

I knwo it's democracy but this is just my opinion, stop relentlessly telling me im wrong.

As for religon.. I am well aware it's not religion fault - which is why i said it has the capacity to be great because it was designed with peace in mind etc.  But the fact that most of the time it is abused does not dimish the fact that religion has acted as a platform for "hate, war and arrogant narrow mindedness"

Again, yes Islam encourages all those things like all religions - but the reality is often different so again it does not detract from the reality that religion is acting as a platform for insularity etc despite it's forward looking attitude on paper.

Originally posted by Suevari Most Christians in Turkey are Greeks, Armenians etc, but there is an increase in conversion among Turks. Religion in Turkish society is decreasing in its role - thank GOD!

Is that really the case? Are there official reports, or are you saying this from your own observations? And is religion declining in Istanbul or also in smaller towns across Turkey?

Edited by Pacifist - 23-Jul-2006 at 22:47

Originally posted by Pacifist Originally posted by Suevari Most Christians in Turkey are Greeks, Armenians etc, but there is an increase in conversion among Turks. Religion in Turkish society is decreasing in its role - thank GOD! Is that really the case? Are there official reports, or are you saying this from your own observations? And is religion declining in Istanbul or also in smaller towns across Turkey?

Ok, don't misunderstand what i said.  I didn't say "religion is decreasing" I said it's role as a rule of life is decreasing - in other words it's place as a key thing that guides people in their life is not as prevelent.  I say this because I see and know many middle-class people who are living their lives without continued reference to religion, comparable to how religious the average Englishman is.  I say again, the kind of peasant mentality where religion no.1 thing in their lives is on the decrease and it is making society more pluralised.

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And dont forget Karamani 's guys. They were the Christian Turks of  Anatolia untill 1920s. All of them living in Greece now.

Originally posted by karajoz       its okey, i lived in switzerland all my live, turks cant open their own mosqus there either...so ... me personally... i dont want to see any churches in my country. this is turkey. if you want go to a church go to greece or armenia...

Edited by Aelfgifu - 29-Mar-2007 at 09:36